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    Can anyone find a birth or baptism for John Fell Jaques? Father Frank Jaques and Mother Isabella (maiden name Jaques, Mum and Dad are cousins). John was supposedly born in Droylesden, near Manchester, Lancashire. I first came across him with his father in the 1871 census RG10/580/33/27 (surname as Fagues on Ancestry). I believe I have found him in the 1861 census too, with his middle initial transcribed as a T, RG9/3148/31/12. Isabella died in 18544. He gives and signs his name on his marriage as John Fell Jaques and I know it's the right one as his father is a witness, who is the with that strange signature that I had help with last week. No known Fell surname in my tree as yet.
     
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    Can’t find a birth or baptism but a death in Texas, father Frank
    7/4/1852 died 7/5/1917 West Hill Cemetery Sherman Grayson Texas. FS and Billion Graves
     
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    It looks like he was living in Dallas from about 1880. There is an immigration from Quebec to Vermont in 1909. He was only 5’0” tall according to the immigraion card and was a broker of some sort.
     
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    I can find baptisms for his 2 sisters but nothing for John. He names his sister Annie Brown (I take it this would be Louise Annie Jaques who married Albert Brown) of Loughborough Leicestershire as his contact on the 1909 border crossing.
     
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    Thank you, I've got the US and Canada stuff. @Chimp I could only find the 2 sisters as well. Maybe he just got missed being registered and baptised.:rolleyes:
     
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    He was actually 5 ft 10 in tall.
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    His wife Elizabeth was 5 ft 6 in
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    Sorry, as you say you already have this (cross posting I'm afraid)
     
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    I thought I'd got that one, but I haven't. Where can I get it from please?
     
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    Send me your email in a PM and I'll send you the images.
     
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    Family Search has this :-
    John Fell Jaques
    Texas Deaths, 1890-1976



    Name: John Fell Jaques •
    Event Type: Death
    Event Date: 07 May 1917
    Event Place: Dallas, Dallas, Texas, United States
    Gender: Male
    Marital Status: Married
    Birth Date: 07 Apr 1852
    Birthplace: , England
    Father's Name: Frank Jaques •
    Certificate Number: 12679

    Image accompanies this with occupation & cause of death.
     
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    'Tis OK, I found it thank you My excuse is that I have permanent brain fog.:rolleyes:o_O:D
     
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    Thank you Wendy.
     
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    Me too :rolleyes:
     
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    I know this doesn't help with finding John's baptism, but I looked at the papers to see if there was notification of a male birth to Frank and Isabella - no luck, I'm afraid even, with trying the surname spelt as Jacques. I did find the following, which you may or not have so thought I'd throw them in anyway :)

    In an article about the Dover Regatta of the 4th August 1873 in the Shipping and Mercantile Gazette of the 5th August.
    A race for pair-oared skiffs, 20 feet in length, manned by members of the Dover Rowing Club......The Etna....; the Dream, Messrs J. J. Bushell and John Fell Jaques; the Dauntless.....; the Gipsy.....; The contest was a good one throughout and was closely watched. The Gipsy and Dream kept together for a short while.....the Gipsy ultimately coming in a length in advance of the Dream.

    Burnley Advertiser 5th July 1863 in a list of patents
    James Archibald Jacques, chemist, and John Americus Fanshawe, engineer, both of Tottenham, Middlesex, and Frank Jacques, of Droylesden, Lancashire, gent., for improvements in the construction of elastic surface rollers. Dated March 18 1862.

    Manchester Courier 14th February 1852
    On the 9th inst., at Droylesden, William Harnett, son of Frank Jaques, aged 2 years and 7 months.

    Manchester Courier 6th May 1854
    On the 30th ult., at Droylesden, near Manchester, Isabella, wife of Mr Frank Jaques of that place, and youngest daughter of William Jaques Esq., of Murgaldge, Assam, in her 32nd year.
     
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    Thank you very much Ann, the last one was the only one I have. :)
     
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    Eddowes's Journal, and General Advertiser for Shropshire, and the Principality of Wales 12 December 1855

    Bankrupts - Frank Jaques, Silk Dyer, Droylesden, Lancashire

    Did Isabella die during childbirth ?

    Births Jun 1854
    JAQUES Adeline Christina Augusta - Ashton - 8d - 419


    JAQUES, ADELINE CHRISTINA AUGUSTA
    MMN - JAQUES
    1854 J Quarter in ASHTONUNDERLYNE Volume 08D Page 419


    Deaths Jun 1854
    Jaques Isabella - Ashton - 8d - 275
     
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    I wondered that too. Thank you for the bankrupt news, didn't have that.
     
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    There is another write-up about him being sued. Do you have that?
     
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    I wondered if she had died during childbirth as Adeline is with her father, frank, on the 1881 census.
     
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    Yes I do, thank you.
     
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    I've found another few snippets

    Manchester Courier
    70th Lancashire Rifle Volunteers; Frank Jaques Esq., to be Captain.

    Manchester Courier 18th May 1861
    English Patents
    Frank Jaques of Droylsden, captain commanding the 7th Rifle Volunteers, for improvements in or improved apparatus applicable to rifled or other muskets, and to other firearms - dated December 4 1860


    Liverpool Mercury 16th December 1861
    Her Majesty has been graciously pleased to accept the resignation of the commission held by Captain Frank Jaques in the 78th Lancashire Rifle Volunteer Corps.

    They don't seem to be able to make up their minds which Volunteer Corps he belonged to :rolleyes:
     
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