Help with German/Prussian ancestry

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  1. Adam McGregor

    Adam McGregor Active Member

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    I’m not sold on either christening as Matthias is a middle name for the first one, and Henry would be about 2 or 3 years younger than the age given on censuses. Plus Müller is such a common surname.
     
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    It's not something I've ever needed to look into with my family, but might Henry or Elizabeth (or Matthias, for that matter) have been naturalised? If so, there should be some records, and these would probably give more information about where and when they were born.

    In census returns, as well as being listed as born in Germany/Prussia, is there anything like "B.S.", meaning British Subject?
     
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    I’ve already looked :( Matthias said in 1901 I think it was that he was naturalised, but I couldn’t find any papers sadly.
     
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    Can anyone examine this record via microfilm?

    HEINRICH Müller, christened on the 25th of March 1831, in Angermund, Rhineland, Prussia, son of Johan Müller and Maria Schulten

    It’s not entirely implausible considering the proximity to the Matthias Miller (son of Friedrich as stated by his marriage records in 1854 and 1885).
     
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    burt Where there's a will there's a way!

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    There is a Heirich Muller naturalisation in in 1864 from Prussia at NA.
    Can be downloaded for £3.50.
     
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    I’m pretty sure I viewed them all on Ancestry. I’ll look up the specific one. Thanks!
     
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    Are there any clues in the marriage witnesses? You mentioned that Henry and Elizabeth married in Lincolnshire in 1848, and that Matthias married twice, in 1854 and 1885.
     
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    Nope, they’re all English names :(

    And plus Henry was of full age to my knowledge so would’ve been born c. 1827, as suggested by his age at death. He couldn’t have been born in 1831.
     
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    All I know is:

    Henry Miller (born Müller according to one christening record from a Catholic church in Newark in 1854). Son of John, a bricklayer. Born c. 1828
    Matthias Miller (recorded as Muller in 1854). Son of Frederick, a bricklayer. Born c. 1830

    Both lived in Newark. Both were musicians. There must be some relation
     
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    For reference:

    Mathias Muller married Sarah Whitworth at St. Swithin’s Church, Wellow, Notts, on the 29th of March 1853
    Matthias Miller married Mary Smith at St. Saviour’s Church, Clarborough, Notts, on the 5th of February 1885
    Henry Miller married Elizabeth White at St. John the Evangelist Church, Spittlegate, Lincolnshire, on the 20th of July 1848

    All available on FreeREG
     
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    burt Where there's a will there's a way!

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    It may be of no relevance, but one Clara Clare is a witness to the 1848
    marriage. The 1851 Census at Castle Gate, Grantham has the following:-

    Sarah HALL h wid 75 lodging house keeper born Coston Leics
    Peter CLAAR s in law m 27 common labourer " Germany
    Mary " w m 40 strwaw bonnet maker " Grantham
    + 2 children + loads of lodgers
     
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    That may well be of importance! There seems to have been some sort of a German immigrant community in Grantham at that time. There was also a John Filing (German-born) living in Spittlegate around the same time.
     
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    Where did you get it from?
     
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    It’s fine, I’ve since discounted it. It was on FamilySearch, but it would’ve made him 17 when he married, while the record stated he was of full age i.e. 21.
     
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    It seems Andreas CLAAR married Clara ROCHAS 1844 at Grantham.
    There is also a Conrad CLAAR there in 1851 and that name also occurs
    at Newark. He is a bricklayer.
     
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    Thanks! It’s amazing all these Germans settling in a little town like Grantham.
     
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    Daft Bat Administrator. Chief cook & bottle washer! Staff Member

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    If you have not already done so, Lincs to the Past is worth delving into.
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    Thanks! I’ll take a look now. I have contacted a local history group in Grantham but they didn’t appear to know anything sadly.
     

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