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  1. Chimp

    Chimp Moderator & Cheeky Human IMP Staff Member

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    I'm stuck at trying to get back further than the 1901 census.

    I'm also trying to find a marriage for John Jones to Margaret Price sometime in the 1890's

    Here is what I have:-

    1911 - 19 Ynys Street Ynyshir Near Pontypridd, Rhondda, Glamorganshire, Wales

    John Jones, Head, Married, 41, 1870, Colliery Timberman Underfground Repairer, Garth R S O Brecon
    Margaret Jones, Wife, Married, 38, 1873, Llandrindod Radnor
    William Rosberry, Jones, Son, Single, 16, 1895, Collier Boy Underground Coal Mine Hewer, Cardiff Glam
    Winifred Mary Jones, Daughter, 12, 1899, School, Porth Glam
    Elsie May Jones, Daughter, 10, 1901, Porth Glam
    Doris Ada Jones, Daughter, 9, 1902, Porth Glam
    Iris Eva Jones, Daughter, 7, 1904, Builth Wells Brecon
    Vera Mabel Jones, Daughter, 5, 1906, Cefny Bedd Brecon

    1901 - 17, High Street, Cymmer, Ystradyfodwg, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales

    John Jones, Head, Married, 32, 1869, Mineral Water Haulier, Builth, Breconshire, Wales
    Margaret Jones, Wife, Married, 29, 1872, Llandrindod, Radnorshire, Wales
    William Roseberry Jones, Son, Single, 6, 1895, Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales
    Winifred Mary Jones, Daughter, Single, 2, 1899, Porth, Glamorganshire, Wales
    Elsie May Jones, Daughter, Single, 0, 1901, Porth, Glamorganshire, Wales

    All the children have the MMN PRICE

    JONES, WILLIAM ROSEBERY
    Mother's Maiden Name:
    GRO Reference: 1895 M Quarter in OF CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 381

    JONES, WINIFRED MARY
    Mother's Maiden Name:
    GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 515

    JONES, ELSIE MAY
    Mother's Maiden Name:
    GRO Reference: 1900 D Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 543

    JONES, DORIS ADA
    Mother's Maiden Name:
    GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 588

    JONES, IRIS EVA
    Mother's Maiden Name:
    GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in BUILTH Volume 11B Page 66

    JONES, VERA MABEL
    Mother's Maiden Name:
    GRO Reference: 1905 D Quarter in BUILTH Volume 11B Page 66

    I thought a possible marriage for John & Margaret might be:-

    Marriages Mar 1893 Pontypridd - 11a - 602
    John Jones & Margaret price

    This John Jones turns out to be a 25 year old (born 1868'ish) Tailor

    When William Roseber(r)y Jones married in 1923 in Beguildy, Radnorshire he gave his father as John Jones, miner.
     
  2. Archie's Mum

    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    Margaret Price and John Jones share the same page marriage Pontypridd March 1893 11a 802
     
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    I can't find one for 11a 802, I can only see the one I've already ordered 11a 602
     
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    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    yep...that'd be the one :oops:
     
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    John Jones and Margaret Price, 17 Oct 1892, Dowlais Parish Church, Glamorganshire. John's occupation is a collier.
     
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    Only trouble with that one is John is aged 33 so giving a birth of 1859. On the censuses he was born 1869/70
     
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    But at least we can now discount :-

    Marriages Dec 1892 - Merthyr T. - 11a - 923

    Marriages Mar 1893 - Pontypridd - 11a -602
     
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    I'm still trying to look around Ponty before their first child was born and wondering if it might've been a second marriage for Margaret, but that's not really helping matters. :sceptical:
     
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    Is this the same place as Garthbrengey?

    If so, then there is a John JONES with his widowed father William (which fits with John's eldest lad being called William - naming patterns and all that... ;) ) in 1881 at 2, Cwrte Bach, Garthbrengy, Brecknock, Breconshire.
    Ref:
    RG11, piece 5456, folio 35, page 5
     
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    I have no idea about that part of the country. I Don't understand the Garth R S O Brecon bit at all.

    I wonder where the Roseber(r)y name comes from.
     
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    Daft Bat Administrator. Chief cook & bottle washer! Staff Member

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    Me neither. :confused: I did try googling it but just came up with other references to it rather than an explanation.
     
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    AnnB Editor in Chief who is Hot off the Press!

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    Take a look at
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    http://www.tpo-seapost.org.uk/tpo2/tpgbrso.html
    You learn something every day :)
     
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    I can't find this. The only one I can find there in 1881 is the son of Evan and Gwenllian at 2, Cwrte Bach, Garthbrengy, Brecknock, Breconshire
     
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    Ah, so that's what R S O means. Maybe he was a mail order baby :D
     
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    Try page 6 - he was over the page.
     
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    Ah, says born 1875, age is about 5 years out.
     
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    I will have to go back and take another look. I thought it said born1868.....
     
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    Drat.
     
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    Ah. Well done.
     

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