Hillary's 2nd Great-Grandparents.

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    As a 'consolation prize' she would like me - the 'booby-prize' winner to find the parents of her 2nd G/Gparents -Mary Jenkins and James Morgans. I know that they were married in Narberth, Pembrokeshire, Wales in the October-December q. 1852 - vol. 11a, page 953.

    On 24 April 1853, a daughter - Catherine - was born and was baptised at Clarbeston on 12 June 1853. Catherine is Hillary's Great-Grandmother. At the time of the baptism - James was a Carter.

    By the time of the 1861 census - RG9/4165/50/6 - James, wife Mary and 3 children are living in Wiston, Pembrokeshire. James is an Ag. Labourer.

    1871 census - Wiston - Ag. Labourer - RG10/5529/6/6 - Catherine is not with them. She is working as a Servant - RG10/5529/21/1.

    1881 census - Wiston - Farmer of 32 Acres - RG11/5419/134/5. I know this is true as Catherine married 5 September 1880 and confirmed her father's occupation.

    Until their deaths - Mary between 1901 and 1911 - and James between 1911 and ? - they lived in Wiston.

    Part of the challenge is not to buy certificates so I am limited to researching on line - hence the 'booby prize for the big booby'.

    HELP!!!
     
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    Could this be James in 1851 HO107 2478 366 12 ?
    Wolfsdale, Camrose, Haverfordwest
    a farm servant to farmer John Bennett (b1818 Camrose)

    James Morgan (sic) age 25 born Llys-Y-Fran - Anc has his pob in 1861 as Lleysyfrane.
     
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    If the above is your James then he can be found in 1841 in Llys-Y-Fran
    HO107 piece 1445 book 13 folio 3 page 3 (as James Morgan)

    Annoyingly not with his parents!
     
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    Mary says born Clarbeston on the 1861 census so this looks like her in 1851 working as a servant at Robleston Hall, Camrose
    HO107 2478 389 6
     
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    Phew something useful at last!
    1841 census HO107 piece 1445 book 4 folio 4 page 12
    Knock Moor, Clarbeston - the Jinkins family (on the marriage index Mary is listed as Mary Jinkins)
    Thomas Jinkins 1801
    Catherine Jinkins 1796
    Mary Jinkins 1826
    Hannah Jinkins 1827
    Benjamin Jinkins 1829
    Martha Jinkins 1831
    Esther Jinkins 1833
    Sally Jinkins 1835
    Thomas Jinkins 1837
    Catherine Jinkins 1839

    Looks like it could be Hillary's 3x g.g/parents
     
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    Looking for James Morgans I came across the following in Pembroke Baptisms (available on FMP)

    9/4/1823 St Mary's Haverfordwest
    James s/o Mary Morgans - abode poorhouse - single woman
     
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    Thank you MollyMay - have just finished dinner - 6.40pm. here and I need to see what I have in the way of info.

    On the surface --- looking good.
     
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    Nearly midnight here, so I am off to my bed - hope they work out for you:)
     
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    Sleep well - see you tomorrow.
     
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    It looks like Thomas died in 1851 (just before the census)

    Clarbeston - 26/2/1851 Thomas Jinkins of Knock Moor was buried age 54 (b1797)
     
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    If I read you correctly, you have obtained a burial transcription for Clarbeston. I presume there are also baptism and marriage transcriptions as well. Can I ask where you found the source of this detail?

    Thanks.
     
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    FMP has Pembrokeshire Banns, Baps, Marriages and Deaths, transcriptions and originals

    No sign of a marriage Thomas Jinkins/Jenkins to a Catherine though
     
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    It looks like the Clarbeston marriage records do not start until late 1830's and the baps for early 1900's
     
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    Thanks for the above - I must go out for a bit - back soon and will fill you in on findings so fare,
     
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    Kick-starting this thread.

    Am again looking for the maiden name of Catherine or Catharine who produced the 8 children found by Molly May [post #5]. FMP has the surname transcribed as JINKINS and Anc. has it JENKINS.

    Of the 8 children I managed to find baptisms for a CATHARINE dau. of Thomas and CATHARINE JENKINS in Clarbeston 26 May 1839 on Anc. but have not found a birth reg. to match.
    As for the other children I have baptisms for
    Hannah 29 Oct 1826 - New Moat, Pembrokeshire
    Benjamin 21 Dec 1828 - Clarbeston, Pem.
    Martha 24 Jul 1831 - Clarbeston
    Thomas 25 Jun 1837 - Clarbeston
    but Esther and Sally's baptisms have not been found.

    In addition in New Moat there was a baptism for an EVAN Jenkins 23 May 1824 which could be another of their children.
     
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    Not sure about this one. I am awaiting the marriage certificate for the marriage of James and Mary 4th q. 1852 in Narberth - vol. 11a page 953.

    Census images after their marriage indicate James Morgans was born c. 1822
    in LLYS Y FRAN [or something like that]
     
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    FS has Esther's baptism
    1/9/1833 Clarbeston d/o Thomas Jenkins and Katherine
     
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    Assuming the place of birth for Mary was Clarbeston, Anc. has a baptism in Clarbeston for a William Jenkins son of Thomas and Catharine 16 Jan 1820, however there doesn't appear to be a baptism for Mary there.

    Could William be a brother?
     
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    Martha is with her parents in 1841 but cannot be tracked as Martha Jenkins in 1851. Her father Thomas died 1st q. 1850 and her mum was enumerated as a widow with 4 children in Clarbeston - no Martha - so this leads me to believe Martha may be dead or married prior to 1851.
    The census was held 30/31 March.

    There are possible marriages:
    3rd q. 1850 - Martha Jenkins and John John - vol. 26 page 841
    4th q. 1850 - Martha Jenkins - William Thomas, Thomas Davis or James Morris - vol. 26 page 1035.
    District was Narberth which includes Clarbeston
    I wasn't able to find such a person with a husband in 1851.

    As for deaths between 1841 and 1851 census date in Narberth there are 5 with no indicated year of birth:
    1st q. 1844 - vol. 26 page 538
    3rd q. 1844 - vol. 26 page 416
    3rd q. 1844 - vol. 26 page 407
    2nd q. 1847 - vol. 27 page 661
    1st q. 1851 - vol. 26 page 546

    I was hoping that Clarbeston burials may have been somewhere on-line but so far I can't locate any.

    Suggestions on how to proceed welcome.
     
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    I have found some Jinkins marriages in Clarbeston - but not Martha


    4/5/1852 William (farmer) of Knock Moor s/o Thomas (farmer)
    one of the witnesses is Evan Jinkins - spouse Elizabeth Adams

    10/9/1871 Catherine Jinkins d/o Thomas Jinkins (farmer)
    again one witness is Evan Jinkins - spouse John Lewis

    27/1/1873 Sarah Jenkins (is this Sally?) d/o Thomas (farmer)
    one witness is Evan Jenkins - spouse John Parry

    This one is odd
    24/3/1874 Esther Jinkins marries as a spinster but names her father as George Evans:confused: - spouse John Thomas no Evan Ji[e]nkins as a witness
     
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