Hoop makers' hoops

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    Not quite a carpenter but not far off..

    I've seen an advert in 1801 looking for hoop makers to make rind hoops in Romsey. It could explain why my man moved to a new place, but what was a rind hoop, and what did it become part of?
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    annabel Puts the Heart into Hertfordshire

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    This is the advert. It has a second paragraph about a lime kiln, which makes me think they might be making something else, although I don't understand what it means Screenshot_20240214_083855.jpg
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    A lime kiln was probably needed to bend to hoops to make them circular.--going by my Father's boat refurbishing times. He used lime to bow the timbers to fit the the boat's line. Sorry not really with it today, lack of sleep.

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    then again I have a long line of 'hoop benders' never gave thought to lime as they seemed to heat & bend iron around the Kegs.
     
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    annabel Puts the Heart into Hertfordshire

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    As I understand it they used steam to bend the wood. But this sounds like details of something else to me, although I have no idea if the reference to the wharf has anything to do with it
     
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    Just found that the bark of the birch is called the rind. Could it be that the hoops were made of birch rind for the barrels of lime?
     
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    Thats interesting, maybe
     
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    FMP has a newspaper item from 1815 about an insolvent debtor Richard Webb, brick burner, Toothill. I can only view a snippet.

    Maybe hoops or barrels were involved in the brick burning process somehow.
     
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    That's interesting, and unexpected. Toothill as well. Thank you
     
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    AnnB Editor in Chief who is Hot off the Press!

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    Not that it answers the question, but Richard placed another advert in the Salisbury and Winchester Journal of the 3rd January 1814, just for 'Hoop-Makers' -
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    and then another in the Hampshire Chronicle of the 23rd February 1918
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    Apologies if you've already found them :)
     
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    It may be that Richard Webb also had a kiln for lime as well as one for brick burning (Or maybe the same kiln used for both?)
    From my general googling - the limestone would be taken from the wharf to the kiln. I think the quick lime produced from the firing would need to be put in barrels to be transported - and the barrels would need hoops.

    Well, it's a theory anyway. Happy to be proved wrong!
     
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