How can I be certain of the right family?

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    I am trying trace the spouse of my 4th Great-garndmother.

    She [Sarah Tomlyns Cox] married William Williams on 16 April 1806, in Bridport, Dorset. Souce - Dorset, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials 1538-1812 - found on Anc. Sadly I cannot make out the names of the witnesses on the image and of course no father is named for William.

    I found a possible baptism for William - same source - dated 28 August 1772 in Melcombe Regis, Dorset, that named his parents as Richard and Mary.

    I also found a burial on 21 September 1838 of a man by this name, age 66. Source - Dorset, England, Deaths and Burials 1813-2001 - found on Anc.

    Is this enough to be certain of his parentage?

    Colin
     
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    How can I find a marriage of a Richard Williams to a Mary [unknown] that produced a son William [baptised 28 August 1772] and possibly a daughter Mary [baptised 21 April 1772] both of which were in Melcombe Regis?

    Colin
     
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    Colin, these name are apparent as witnesses,: William Lang & John Curone (who seems to be there for all marriages). Also two names which are a tad difficult :Thomorice/Thomasine, Stainders/Saunders. These being name variants of one person.
    I wonder if this was your Sarah at an earlier time? :
    Joseph Cox married Sarah Tomlyns- Bridport 9 Feb 1786
     
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    Thanks, Wendy.

    For the life of me, I couldn't figure out the names of the witnesses and now you have, I don't see how they'll help, unfortunately.

    I really like your 2nd piece, though, as the names of 2 children after she married William Williams, fit very nicely.

    Colin
     
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    Updating this thread - but again I need help!!:D

    After marrying William William, Sarah Tomlyns Cox had a daughter - named as Sarah Tomlyns Williams - and this daughter was baptised in the Bridport Chapel [Presbyterian] 13 March 1809.

    I found several more that look promising. A son named Silvester Williams was baptised in the Bridport Chapel [Presbyterian] 26 March 1807. A daughter named Amelia Williams was baptised in the Bridport Chapel [Presbyterian] 11 March 1810. A son William Cox Williams was baptised in the Bridport Chapel [Presbyterian] 5 April 1813. A daughter Prudence Tomlyns Williams was baptised 13 Feb 1815 - same faith. A daughter Anne Cox Williams was baptised - same faith - 14 February 1817.The last baptism I found was for John Cox Williams - same faith - 13 March 1819.

    I think this is all the children they had.
     
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    Once again I'm asking for assistance.

    Prudence Tomlyn Williams appears to have married one Samuel Devine [according to London England Marriages and Banns 1754-1921] at Plumstead St. Nicholas, Greenwich 11 February 1839. Shortly thereafter a son named Samuel John Devine was born 4th q. 1839 in Greenwich.

    I found this family in the 1841 census - Piece 492, Book 4, Folio 8, Page 9 - Charlton Next Woolwich, Kent, and he is a Musican [I think]. Then Samuel John Devine dies and is buried 16 February 1842 in Woolwih, St Mary Magdelene.

    I then find the family in 1851 census - H0107/1589/268/22 - living at 18 Brewer Street, Woolwich. His occupation is Professor of Dancing. They also have a 9 year old daughter named Prudence. Samuel is a native of Antigua, West Indies.

    I now have the baptism of Prudence - full name Prudence Cox Williams Devine - born 8 November 1841 and baptised 2 January 1842 - which names the mother as Prudence Tomlyns and the father as Samuel - occupation Musician Royal Artillery - and they live on Wellington Street.

    My next finding is a death registration - 3rd q. 1852 - for Samuel Devine in Greewich. I think this is our Samuel.

    Can my findings above be confirmed? The occupation from the marriage seems different but that is all.

    I can't find Prudence and her daughter after this.

    Colin
     
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    Prudence and her daughter plus son Alfred can be found in Devon in 1861

    RG09/1394/25/44 5 Sidwell Terrace, St Sidwell, Exeter

    Prudence Devigne (sic) 1818 Bridport Dorset - boarding house keeper
    Prudence 1843 Woolwich- apprentice to milliner
    Alfred 1853 Woolwich - scholar
     
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    Thanks for this - it now fits what I recently found - a death registration in Bideford, Devon 4th q. 1876.

    My findings also seem to fit why anf how she was in St. George Hanover Square where she ultimately met and married Samuel Devine.
     
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    1871

    Prudence Devignes (sic) is lodging in Crediton RG10/2161/46/10
    Alfred C Devigne is in Bristol RG10/2505/24/39 - a telegraphist

    I cannot find Prudence b1843
     
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    There are other children born to Prudence and Samuel in Woolwich

    William Williams Devine 3/3/1844
    Sylvester Samuel William 30/9/1846
    James 16/5/1849
    Alfred Cox Devine 7/7/1852

    These are Bap dates from Anc London births and baps.

    Time for me to retire to my bed, so I will leave you find what happened to these children.
     
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    Before I go I think I may have found Prudence

    There is a marriage of a Lucy De Vigne in March qtr 1869 Exeter 5b 171

    1871 census RG10/674/56/32 in Lambeth - Husband John Palmer
    1881 RG11/2230/71/7 in Crediton Devon
    1891 RG12/1760/126/3 in Crediton, now Prudence Lucy Palmer
    1891 - RG13/2130/33/5 - now Lucy (b1862 according to FMP's transcription)
    A death of Prudence Lucy Palmer 1904 June qtr Crediton5b 247
     
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    All great help and I thank you immensely. Enjoy your sleep.

    Colin
     
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    Found this Colin:
    UK, City and County Directories, 1766 - 1946 about Samuel Devine
    Name: Samuel Devine
    Street Address: Brewer street
    Occupation: Professor Of Dancing
    Publication Title: 1851 Post Office Directory
    County: Kent
    Country: England
    Publication Year: 1851
     
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    Thanks, Wendy, this confirms the occupation in the 1851 census.
     
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    From the North Devon Journal 28th January 1869
    Jan. 21, at the Catholic Church, Exeter, by the Rev. W. Johnson, Mr John J. Palmer, of Exeter, to Lucy, only daughter of the late Mr Samuel Devigne, of Woolwich, Kent.

    Ann
     
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    Thank you, AnnB. Another piece in the jigsaw puzzle has now been fitted.
     
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    I have now, with grateful thanks to those who have contributed to this thread, concluded the history of Prudence Tomlyns Williams [my 3X Great-grand Aunt] and her 6 children..
     
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