How can I find more info on the Whittington family.

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  1. Chimp

    Chimp Moderator & Cheeky Human IMP Staff Member

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    Having looked at the marriage for Ann to Samuel the two witnesses are George COLLEY and Maurice DAVIES. Now I have seen their names while reading the will of either Richard Whittington or his wife Ann. I'm blowed if I'm going to struggle reading through them again :D
     
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    Sorry, I'm a bit thick when it comes to mortgages :oops:. Could someone explain what this all means please.
     
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    Without seeing the actual document, as opposed to the brief catalogue entry, it is difficult to work out exactly what was happening.

    Here is an explanation of what a 'mortgage by demise' was: https://www.
    nottingham.ac.uk/manuscriptsandspecialcollections/researchguidance/deedsindepth/mortgaged/demise.aspx

    Assuming that the 1830 mortgage follows a similar form, it would seem that Samuel and Anne were transferring the property to the Hamer sisters to raise an unspecified amount of money. But I am just guessing, which is dangerous.
     
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    Thank you Huncamunca. By the way your worst guess is better than my KNOWN fact ;)
     
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    Huncamunca The Knowledgeable One

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    Jane Hamer (57) and her sisters Susanah (55) and Charlotte (53), land proprietors, born Montgomeryshire Penstrowed, were in Moughtre, Montgomeryshire on the 1851 census (HO 107/2497, f.573, p.1).

    Their sister Ursula had died by then: there's a PCC will for Ursula Hamer of Severn Side House, Montgomeryshire, dated 24 November 1847 and proved 30 June 1848. Most unusually, she tells us her parents' names: 'one of the daughters of the late Athelustan Hamer Esqr of Glanhafren(?) and Anne his wife formerly Anne Ruffe(?) [or Ruste?] eldest daughter of Richard Ruffe [or Ruste?] Esqr . . .'

    There is also a PCC will for Athelustan Hamer, which mentions John Whittington of Aberhafesp Hall. I have only glanced at it, so don't know if it explains the connection.
     
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    Thank you very much for that info Huncamunca. I seem to be getting a little bogged down with all this info coming in so fast. I will have to sit back and digest it all before I ask for any more help.

    You lot are good, very good :)
     
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    Hi.
    Im a direct descendant of Jeremiah Thomas and Anne Whittington. They had two sons Richard and John. Anne Whittington died young, in Llandinam, and i presume it may be in child birth. Jeremiah and sons live in Llanilar, outside Aberystwyth. That is why she is not mentioned in her fathers will.
    There was a family story that Jeremiah and Anne eloped to marry to Aberystwyth against her fathers wishes as he was the squire of Aberhafesp. She died suddenly leaving Jeremiah heart broken until the day he died. After researching i realise that part of the story isnt true due to her father paying the £200 fee for the marriage.
    I have copies of most of the whittington, swancotte wills and some marriage licences. Im willing to make copies to post. Also Richard and Anne Whittington lived at pentre house in Aberhafesp which still stands today. A beautiful timer framed house. I have pictures of that as well.
    Ann
     
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    Hi Ann and welcome to Top Dog. The reason I was researching the Whittington family was in connection with Knighton Workhouse. Will Private message you.
     
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    How interesting, please do :)
     
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    Errrrr sorry Chimpy, at least give us the bare bones. Well, my interest is vicarious as I haven't done anything with this except read it but the others...... was one of the Whittingtons an incumbent at the workhouse?
     
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    Ann Whittington b. around 1785 was the daughter of John and Ursula Whittington, formerly of Aberhafesp Hall, in the county of Montgomery

    Ann Whittington Married Samuel Hodson on 8th April 1812 in St Llonio, Llandinam, Montgomeryshire.

    Samuel and Ann were the first official Master and Matron of Knighton workhouse.

    See here for a link to my site Knighton, Radnorshire and read Knighton Union Workhouse.

    http://www.genealogy-specialists.com/threads/genealogy-websites.767/

    This was Samuels 2nd marriage. His first wife being Charlotte, Charlotte died on 8th September 1808 and is buried in Knighton Churchyard. Samuel died in 1851 and is buried with Charlotte.

    Ann and Samuel had a daughter Ursula. Ursula married James Hudson in 1864 but sadly she died in 1866 aged just 46. Ursula was buried in the grave next to her father. Ann, her mother, died in 1870 and is buried with Ursula.
     
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    Ta very much :)
     
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    Apologies for reviving a long-dead thread, but if you see this, Chimp, I'm another direct descendent of Richard and Ann Whittington, this time through David Rees and Martha Whittington. I'd love to compare the trees and see if we have similar information.

    With regard to my branch - well Richard and Ann's granddaughter, Ann Rees, married into the Smith family, and were tenant farmers of Aberhafesp Hall, residing on the property called Thimble Hall. Their descendants eventually end up as cow keepers in Liverpool in the early 1900s, before giving up any link to agriculture altogether.

    I was genuinely shocked to find out that we seem to have come from a landed family in the mists of the past; based on more recent history I never thought we were much more than dockers and ag labs!

    Anyway, I hope this finds you and we can connect. I live out in Canada these days although I am Scouse originally, and I think a trip back to Wales is definitely in order.
     
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    Hi Empress, I'm not actually related to your family. I have a website on history of the town in which I live, Knighton.

    I was researching your ancestors as a part of my research on the workhouse in town. When I research something I like to try and get as many facts as possible (really this is just in case anyone decides that I have got it wrong) I will give a link to the workhouse on my site.
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    https://terrydrayton.wixsite.com/knighton/workhouse
    P.s. threads very rarely die on this forum ;)
     
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    Ah that makes sense! You should see what I've started compiling on Liverpool in my "spare" time, but I'm currently having fun with the area all around Llanidloes.
     
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    You know, I've only ever been to Llanidloes once, the firm I work for deals with a company from there.
     
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    Chimp I was just looking over your site and I found something that might be of interest to you.

    In 1817, Ursula Whittington was permitted to assign a lease of her deceased husband's over to a George Hodson of Bristol, a merchant. The lease was for Llechwyddyrys Farm in Llanwnog. Could that be a relation of Samuel?

    I don't have the original file, but it is held by University College Oxford in their archives under UC:EB1/A/5 page 30 according to the index.
     
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    I'm not sure, I never did discover where Samuel originated from. With the Whittington - Hodson names connected in this way there is a fair chance that they may have been related.
     
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    i have found in the parish records I transcribed a filing of the marriage of the lord of the manor, even though said marriage took place elsewhere. It does say it took place elsewhere but a normal transcription doesn't allow for that info to be added. I added a note xx
     
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    Just thought I'd mention that I found the marriage of one of my ancestors recorded in two parishes, unlike yours, mine were both in Essex. When I checked the two entries out in their respective parish registers, one was at the parish where the marriage took place, the other noted the marriage was performed at the other parish. It's the only time I've found a marriage recorded in two different parishes, I don't suppose it's unique though.
     

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