If the headstone is in the wall ... where is the body?

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  1. kernowmaid

    kernowmaid Well-Known Member

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    This is a "grave" in my local churchyard:
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    The Parish Burial Register notes that it is a "wall grave".

    So ... just out of morbid interest ... where is the body?
    She can't be IN the wall, can she? Or even UNDER it? (The church is C12/C15, restored c1851)

    Just letting my mind wander ... :rolleyes:

    Jane
    Edit: Date of death - 7 December 1898
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Perhaps it's just a wall memorial there being no 'body' available? A bit early for local cremation.
    edit- just reread properly,- cremation began in about " The first working crematorium was built at Woking, Surrey in 1879 and was used a few times a year from 1885."
    Take your pick. ;)
     
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    Is she in front of the wall, buried up against it and no room for the stone at the head.?
     
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    Mmm.
    Thanks for the suggestions, Wendy & Sue.

    I don't go with cremation - Cornwall is always "behind the times".

    I suppose she could be in the patch in front - but there's not much of a space, and she'd be facing the wrong way (this is a North-facing wall). Graves are meant to be East/West, aren't they?

    Hey Ho. ;)

    Jane
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Who knows in which country who is worshipping who? in the ground is all I know if not a cremation. ;)
     
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    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    Could you ask the vicar/church warden? - we would all like to know now.
     
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    Hmmm....

    Looking at the burial on FMP, under 'Card or Loc No' it says card. Burials seem to have location numbers, which is where the grave is. But I have not found an explanation yet for what 'card's denotes..... :reading:
     
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    I'll try. Don't hold your breath, though. I've tried before to contact the vicar (I'd like a graveyard plan.) She appears to be very busy.
     
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    Try offering her a couple of quid, she won't be too busy then, the church have always responded well to money offerings. :D
     
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    I wonder if ‘card’ could mean information on an index card as to where the body actually is buried, as there is no location specified in that actual cemetery. She could be in another location, perhaps with another family member elsewhere, but remembered here on that wall.
     
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    Yes, I was thinking along those lines as well.
     
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    Where is St Mewan in relation to this cemetery?
     
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    The graveyard is 3 sides of the church.
    Habitation-wise, St Mewan is only 2 or 3 houses (one of which is the Rectory, and I think the other is the Old Rectory) opposite the church, a School, and several farms.
    Politically, St Mewan is the name of the Parish that covers the west side of St Austell and a few villages (Trewoon, Sticker, Polgooth).
     
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    As Cornish people are usually of short stature (my Nans family were quite small) then perhaps she IS in the wall. It does say grave. :nailbiting:
     
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    That is in a quote from the Bible (Job chapter 5 verse 26) rather than stating specifically that it is a grave, though. :confused:
     
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    We're not THAT tiny :D
    Maybe she's upright, standing behind the stone :eek::D

    But yes, Sue - it was the word "wall GRAVE" in the Burial Register that got me wondering.
    There are others on the walls, but they're more like plaques of Remembrance. Their Register entries don't specify any position.
    And this one does actually look like a headstone.

    I wonder ...
    Maybe she was buried, then they extended the church ... ?
    I've only been inside a couple of times. Maybe this is someone's way of forcing me inside a church? :angel::nailbiting:

    Jane
     
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    Well she was 92...;)
    She couldnt have been moved because the register says wall grave......unless the register was rewritten after they moved her on or built over her.
     
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    This is what I mean:

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    (hope it works!)
    Jane
     
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    Yes, I saw that
     
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    I wonder why "Wallgrave" is written under the column headed "Abode" o_O

    Notes tended to be written in the margin... :headbang:
     

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