Information on Philip Kingwell

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  1. BrendanW

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    Hello,
    I've been trying to find out more on my 3x great grandfather Philip Kingwell born on the 22nd May 1807 to Samuel Kingwell and Jane Kingwell nee. Manning (both from Devonshire). I can't find his baptism record but know his date of birth and have confirmed his parentage through DNA so I presume he was born in Ugborough, Devon.

    Philip married Hester Jeffery in 1831 who was from Devon. The family lived in Bethnal Green, London and they had 9 children. Only 4 survived to adulthood, the youngest being my great great grandfather, also Philip, born in 1842. Philip Sr. died on the 6th December 1848 and I am curious about how he died. So far I've found nothing, only burial records etc.. I'm also trying to find out what his occupation was and why he moved to London in the first place. He came from a long line of yeomen from Ugborough in Devon. I know there probably will be barely information about him due to his social status but if anyone could find out anything at all, I would be very grateful!

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    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    Have you bought his death cert, which should give you some information as to the cause of death and his occupation?

    On the 1841 census in Bethnal Green, his occupation is listed as Publican
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    his grave is on Find a Grave I guess you have that as you have posted a photo
    22 May 1807
    DEATH
    6 Dec 1848 (aged 41)
    Bethnal Green, London Borough of Tower Hamlets, Greater London, England
    BURIAL
    Saint Peter's Churchyard
    Ugborough, South Hams District, Devon, England
    MEMORIAL ID
    203638706 ·
     
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    Daft Bat Administrator. Chief cook & bottle washer! Staff Member

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    The first step would be to order a copy of his death certificate if you have not already done so.

    A pdf copy can be emailed to you from the GRO for £7, which usually only takes a couple of days to arrive.

    Just shout if you are not sure how to do this. :)
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Quite often you can find hints of why people died by looking into statistics on death & diseases & the years concerned. One such [there are many other sites] is
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    Thanks for all of your replies!

    @Sandiep yes I've uploaded the information I know to his find a grave memorial. I've been talking to a 4th cousin about dates and what not.

    She is descended from him through his daughter Ann. It's funny how genealogy works because we're both 4th cousins despite being 50 years apart!

    @Daft Bat @MollyMay I haven't! I completely forgot about death certificates for some odd reason. I found it quite hard to read his occupation on the 1841 census but now you've mentioned publican it makes perfect sense! His daughter Ann married the owner of a pub in Totnes, Devon.

    @Ma-dotcom my guess is that he may have died from Cholera or something like that but now I imagine him drinking the beer from his pub just like the beer factory workers in the area and so didn't get sick from the water - a fact I learnt in my history lessons!

    I've just ordered a copy of his death certificate.
     
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    Ooh! Do come back and let us know what the certificate says. :)
     
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    I just received Philip's death certificate and it looks like he died from his injuries in an accident where his right leg got run over and fractured by a wheel. I find it quite hard to read to so maybe someone else can make out the writing?

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    Erysipelas (a bacterial infection of the skin) after a fracture of his right leg by a Dray wheel passing over it from his slipping off the kerb in Warwick Lane
    5 days
     
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    A search of local newspapers may have more info on the accident (sorry, I don't have a sub to newspapers :()
     
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