Irene and Elmer Spiegel 1940 census

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  1. Genie1

    Genie1 Cornish to the Core

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    Irene born 1898 in Cornwall marries Elmer Spiegel September 1937 at Elyria, Lorain, Ohio.
    I can't find them in 1940.
    Irene was Truan but eventually took her step-father's name.
    1930 has her living with her family at Elyria.
    Only want to know where she is in 1940 .
    Added: No idea when or where Elmer was born
     
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    First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital Status Gender Age Birth year Birth place
    Elmer Spiegal Head Married Male 40 1900 Pennsylvania
    Irene Spiegal Wife Married Female 41 1899 Pennsylvania
    Elmer Spiegal's Census Details

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    First name(s) Elmer
    Last name Spiegal
    Relationship Head
    Marital Status Married
    Gender Male
    Age 40
    Birth year 1900
    Birth place Pennsylvania
    Ethnicity American
    Race White
    City/township Pittsburgh
    County Allegheny
    State Pennsylvania
    Previous residence date 1935
    Previous residence city Same Place
    Previous residence county -
    NARA series T627
    NARA roll 3666
    Record set Us Census 1940
     
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    I wonder if I am on the right track, because Irene was born a Roseland,Cornwall.She was the illegitimate daughter of Rose Helena Truan.
    they emigrated.
     
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    If the record @Chimp found is the original image, the person in the household with the circled x by their name is the informant. This designation generally does not make it to the transcription.

    ETA: Just looked - Elmer is the informant, he's a laborer in a steel mill.
     
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    Do you know when they emigrated and when Irene’s mother, Rosalinda married and to whom. I have found an Irene, Rose, mother Eliza and father George emigrating in 1900 to Ohio but Rose and Irene were ages 21 and 22.
    Mothers name on Cornwall OPC is Rosalinda.
     
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    According to censuses Elmer was born to German born Joseph Spiegel and Pennsylvania born Loretta.
    1910 he is 13
    1920 in the Military at Compound 1 Coblenz Germany. Home address 5 Frederick Street Pittsburgh.
    1930 with widowed mother Irene and a pipe fitter at Byers Mill
    1940 with Irene and working at a steel mill.
    So married sometime between 1930 and 1940 which I can’t find anywhere.
     
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    Sorry... 1930 with mother Loretta not Irene
     
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    https://genealogy-specialists.com/t...lly-solve-their-whereabouts.9038/#post-136587
    Most of the information except the 1940 is here.
    After looking for any Irene ???? in Ohio in 1930 I eventually found her as Irene Pier, should have checked here first.
    If I have this correct, mentioned in the above pasted thread Irene's grandparents were George and Eliza, see post #5 here. With daughter Rose and sister Irene immigrated in 1900 and Im guessing young Irene is named after Aunty Irene?
    Quite confusing without surnames. :confused:
     
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    As Irene immigrated in 1900 at age 1 with mother, aunt and grandparents George and Eliza then she probably classes US as her birth place and Elmer thought the same.
    No doubt that is her in 1940 found by Chimp.
    Yep! @Jellylegs found them in 1940 on the other thread mentioned above.....
     
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    Pvt Elmer John Spiegel WW1 Military, Find a Grave 24/12/1896-9/11/1981, Clarkson Cemetery, Grayson County Kentucky
    3 possibles for Irene:
    Irene Spiegel unknown-1996 Montefiore Springfield Gardens Queens County NY
    Irene Speigel unknown-1997 New Montefiore West Babylon Suffolk County NY
    Irene Spiegel unknown- 1982 Crown Hill Cemetery Indianopolis (this seems to be the closest I can find)
     
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    Should have checked my old messages:oops:
    This surname has me in a spin.
     
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