Irish / Co. Tipperary newspaper lookup, please.

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  1. WelchRegLost

    WelchRegLost Well-Known Member

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    On the 22nd October 1864 at the Irish petty courts a Cornelius Whelan was fined £2 for desertion from the South Tipperary Militia. This could be my gg-grandfather whom I only know his name from his son's marriage cert, so hoping newspaper article may give age etc.
     

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    Had a look at Irish Newspaper Archives and found that my subcription had unfortunately expired.
    So looked at the 1901 census and assumed that Cornelius was a Tipperary man so searched fror him in that county and only 3 listed but one does fit the bill. Cornelius Whelan aged 53, so born 1848, would be 16 in 1864 is that a possible?
     
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    AnnB Editor in Chief who is Hot off the Press!

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    I’ve tried and failed, sorry:(
     
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    Thank you for looking, that Cornelius is the son of the one I am looking for (or the paper records are wrong) I have all the children that were on that 1901 census living together as a family with no parents.

    On his Marriage cert he claims to be 30 giving DOB of 1856, then on the census as you say DOB 1848, then on his Death Cert registered by his eldest daughter in 1910 his age is given as 72 so DOB of 1838. So all around a mystery.
     
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    Thank you for looking :)
     
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    Thats a bit strange as the 1901 has parents as Cornelius b 1848 as Head and Honora b.1861 as Wife and children listed below
     
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    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    Full census 1901 with all the family. FS.
     
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    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    Found on National Archives Ireland the original 1911 census......
    Residents of a house 15 Carrigatogher (Ryan) Carrigatogher (Tipperary)
    WHELAN, Cornelius 46 Head
    Mary 42
    John 6
    Mary 3
    Annie 1
    House 2 ( Carrigatogher as above)
    WHELAN William 23 head
    Margaret 22
    James 19
    Cornelius 15
    Edward 12
    Michael 8
    Michael Ryan 45
    These are the same names as on the 1901 (Cornelius is 53)now 10 years later he is 42 and Honora is replaced by Mary and Cornelius is supposed to have died in 1910. Ages for the children are about right though.:confused:
    It looks like Cornelius has moved out and has a new family with a new wife. And lied about his age.
     
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    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    It looks like a Cornelius Whelan has held an allotment from at least 1825...
    From connorsgenealogy.com
    Thithe Allotments
    Burgesburg Civil Parish 1825
    Nenagh Poor Law Union
    Owney and Arra Barony.
    TOWNLAND....Carrigatogher, Mr Hardings Division.
    Cornelius Whelan (among others)
    It seems every generation had a Cornelius Whelan and the deaths registered could be any of them.:confused:
     
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    That will be the Irish naming convention

    • The eldest son would be named after his paternal grandfather

    • The second son would be named after his maternal grandfather

    • The third son would be named after his father

    • The fourth son would be named after his father’s oldest brother
     
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    Unfortunately this is a different family, they have been married 10 years and had 3 children born alive and all three still living
     
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    I have now found death certs for both Cornelius Snr 1910 and Hanoria 1907
    so having the family with just the children 1911 makes sense
     
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    This is Hanoria's brother
     
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    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    Do you have access to the FMP Irish records? Lots of entries for Cornelius, his dog licence records, which give his place of abode, his marriage to Horora Ryan etc.
     
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    Yes I do and i am working through those dog license records to see which Cornelius they belong to
     
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    This gets more confusing.
    2 of the children had their births register by an aunt Julia Shaughnessy haven't found a birth for her but may have a marriage which gives a different father to the marriage of Cornelius
     

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