Is This The Same Event?

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  1. Mealymoo

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    Baptised Bristol 07 Jun 1838, father George, mother Anne
     
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    Sort of getting confusing as there seems to be more than one H.G.Bengough. Anglo-Boer War records 1899-1902 show Harcourt George Lionel, Lieutenant, served with the Duke of Cambridge's Own (Middlesex Regiment), an appointment reported in the London Evening Standard 9 June 1900. In 1896 Mr H. Bengough, 18, was a passenger on the Arundel Castle,bound for Natal, while in 1917 an H.G.Bengough appears on an RAF list as a stores clerk. :headbang:

    This looks good, the birth of Sophia Elizabeth Bengough was registered September quarter 1874 - St Olave 1d 241, while Thomas' birth was registered December quarter 1875 - St Olave 1d 285. The 1871 census lists Thomas as a tin plate worker, and he doesn't appear in censuses 1881-1911. Susannah's birth was registered in Greenwich, but there are no death records for her or Thomas, so did the family settle in Australia?

    Thomas Bengough and his wife Susannah are definitely my relatives. Thomas was born in 1851, although his birth doesn't appear to have beenregistered. His parents, Thomas and Sarah, moved to Southwark around 1853-1856 where Thomas senior became a Police Constable.

    Birth certificate/s is/are a must, when I can afford them.
     
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  3. Archie's Mum

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    Funeral for Thomas Bengough 24 July 1884 son of Thomas from 8 North Terrace, Mitchell Street Glebe
    8 March 1886 Evening News: Wanted lads used to soldering square tins, constant work. Thomas Bengough, Collins Street, Surry Hills off Crown Street
    18 August 1890 Sydney Morning Herald. Bankruptcy due to losses of contracts.
    30 November 1889 Sydney Morning Herald. 2 men in his employ charged with theft of solder from his business in Collins Street Surry Hills
     
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    Thomas died Victoria 1932/2931
    Susannah died Victoria 1906/14684 father Aylward Robert Carrington
    William Carrington died Victoria 1922/5172 father Thomas Bengough mother Susannah Aylward
     
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    Don't think this one is the same Thomas. This one was born in Birmingham in 1854 and left a widow. Close, but wrong one.:(
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Name: Susannah Elizabeth Aylward
    Spouse: Thomas Bengough
    Father: Robert Carrington Aylward
    Birth: abt 1852
    Marriage: 21 Sep 1873 - St James, Bermondsey???

    always depends on the knowledge of the person giving information at death.
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    To add to Chimp's #8 & AM's #10
    Name: Susannah Bengough Age: 25 arrived 15th Nov, 1877
    Birth Year: abt 1852
    Arrival Date: 15 Nov 1877
    Vessel Name: La Hogue
    with Thomas Bengough,26, Sophy 3, Thomas 1, & an infantborn durin voyage.

    Name: Thomas Bengough b. abt 1844 Age: 29
    Spouse: Susannah Elizabeth Aylward- Age: 21
    Record Type: Marriage
    Event Date: 21 Sep 1873
    Parish: St James, Bermondsey: Southwark
    Father Name: Thomas Bengough-railway Inspector
    Spouse Father: Robert Carrington Aylward **
    Register Type: Parish Register

    **seems to have used Carrington more so than Robert. Fisherman & mariner.
     
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    Looks spot on Wendy, thank you. :) A census return lists Susannah's father as Robert, and her marriage was registered in the St Olave district in the September quarter of 1873. According to UKBMD, Bermondsey was in this registration district.

    This particular branch of my family, descendants of my 3G grandmother's sisters, is sending me giddy. Discovered yesterday that one of her great nephews spent much of his life travelling between the UK and Canada like a yo-yo on a piece of elastic.

    I really can't thank you and AM enough for your help. A cousin, born in the US :rolleyes:, will be over the moon when she gets all of this. Once I've sorted it all out that is.
    There is no birth registration for Thomas, but according to FS he was baptised 24 Feb 1851 in Bordesley, Birmingham, the same church where his father Thomas (what else) was baptised in 1829. His father was married at St Philip's Birmingham in 1850 and the 1851 census shows Thomas, born about 1851, with his parents.
     
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    Another bullseye Wendy. Forgot to mention that the 1881 census for Thomas (he died in 1884) lists his occupation as Police Inspector, S.E. Railway.
     
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    Great David, seems you're getting somewhere.
     
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    Don't know if you've got either of the above (both from Holy Trinity Bordesley) - but, just in case :)
     
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    That's odd Ann. This is the entry from my image of the All Saints register:

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    While this is the entry in the registers from St Martin's Birmingham:

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    Later records of neither parent have yet been found. Elizabeth's parents, my 3G grandparents, lived in Alcester Street and are buried at Holy Trinity. In 1841 Thomas was being cared for by his maternal aunt, along with 2 cousins, the daughters of another of Elizabeth's sisters, literally just round the corner in Darwin Street. Their father died in 1838 but their mother has also vanished off the radar.

    To complicate matters further FS has a baptism transcript dated 9 October 1829 for what appears to be the same family, except this is said to be from the registers of St Peter and St Paul, Aston and gives neither abode nor father's occupation.

    Thank you for the 1851 entry. I have Thomas and Sarah's marriage record, but not the baptism entry. Another oddity, the birth wasn't registered.
     
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    I'm still not convinced that the death found in 1932 Victoria is your Thomas Bengough. That Thomas was late the licensee of the Crown Hotel, Newstead, lived at Newport and left behind a widow. Two of his pallbearers were Sydney and Harry Bengough. They could have been grandsons but the only Sydney birth I have of found was to another Sydney and I cant find a Sydney born to your Thomas, but I will keep plugging along.
     
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    There is another death in Victoria of Thomas Henry Bengough son of Thomas Walter Bengough and Selina 1914/6168
     
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    Have changed my mind after finding that Susannah Bengough and Thomas Bengough who died in 1932 are buried together in the same plot at Boroondara Cemetery....:) along with William
    So after a bad time is Sydney they moved to Victoria and he took up the pub license in 1913. Sorted.
    As he died leaving a widow my money is on a marriage to Gorgena Wilson Robertson in 1907
     
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    Lovely doings Sue.
     
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    I'm totally confused :eek: were the ones I found going to Australia any relation at all to the family in question?
     
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    No! But what's new ;) and yes it's the family you found.
    The above quote is what I perceived as his question. So yes, if that's the question then all of the above is the answer. We found the quoted person as Francis Bengough born at sea on the way to Australia. Birth was registered at Grafton NSW on the way down the coast to Sydney. He died later in Sydney.
     
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    Thanks AM. was getting a bit confused there o_O
     
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    Same here, especially after seeing that the All Saints register image that Ann found is dated 10 days later than the register image I found. Just wonder if Ann's copy is the BT, but why the date change. Also, Alcester Street was in the All Saints "catchment area" so why the same record in the St Martin's registers?

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