It's all Greek to me.

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  1. Chimp

    Chimp Moderator & Cheeky Human IMP Staff Member

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    Doing a little project on our local cemetery. I've come across the only foreign burial, in what seems to be some sort of military or army grave.

    This is what it says
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    It seems to be a triple grave, although there are only 2 memorials on it. The other burial is

    Robert A F Evans
    13-10-1915 5-10-2010
    Anyone read Greek? What does the first one say?


     
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    @Eve - can you help with this? ;)
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    All I can say is that i think the first word is 'Elene' or Helen, and the word that looks like Eton does seem to say Eton

    Elene th kaapaxidoe
    Eton 75

    Is my sad attempt to turn Greek alphabet into English alphabet, but no idea how to go further :(

    (Unless the first word is Hellene meaning Greek/Greece o_O)
     
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    OK - I've had a go using Google translate -
    Helen Kalpaxidou Years 75
    Still looks Greek to me........:D
     
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    Bloomin' 'ec - I've just looked the name up and a lady of that name with those dates had her death registered in Bromley, Greater London in the March quarter of 1969 :eek:

    Actually, the death registration does give her age as 75, so it looks like whoever carved the gravestone was the one who made the mistake?
     
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    I thought that as well, but the 75 does not make sense with the dates of 1898 to 1969. That comes to just 71... o_O
     
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    Perhaps the Greeks aren't too good at maths ;)
     
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    :D :D :D :D
     
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    that is exactly why I like this place :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
     
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    But they are very good at algebra :D. And geometry
     
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    :D :D :D
     
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    If she was 75 when she died, that would be consistent with her being born on 13 March 1893 (not 1898). Did the mason misread the instructions and put the wrong year in? This may not be the Greeks' fault...
     
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    Good point, Arthur. That has happened more than once!
     
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    oooop's (very bad word) :eek: sorry I mistranscribed it wrong (on here) In my little book the date is 13-3-1893 :oops:
     
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    Mystery solved.:rolleyes:
     
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    Nearly, who was she and why was she buried here?
     
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    While we're still on this one, from the limited amount of Greek I know (or once knew), I think a double "AA" is unlikely in the surname, and I suspect one of these letters might be "Λ" (L), as in the forename. That would give "KALP..." or "KLAP..." - I think the former may be more likely, but I'm not 100% sure of this.
     
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    Here is what the original transcribers got

    EAENH 8. KAATTA S IOOY ETQN 75
    13—3—1893 — 4—1—1969

    They probably didn't know how to enter the Greek characters :)
     
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    Any possibility that she was Robert Evans' mother? From FreeBMD, his mother was named Clee (Dec qtr 1915, Knighton, 11b 189), leading to the marriage of Thomas F Evans and Elsie K Clee (Dec qtr 1913, Knighton, 11b 223). I'll leave you to look further, and maybe to comment on Clee as a possible local family.

    But it occurred to me that someone with that Greek name wanting to anglicise and/or simplify it might possibly end up with Elsie K Clee.
     
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    The Clee family are from around here. One of my neighbours was a Clee (was, because she passed last year)

    The Robert Evans seems to have something like pilots wings under his name with something written within it (can't make it out though)
     

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