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    James Goddard, my 4x g grandfather married Catherine Hillman in 1818 in Milton Lilbourne

    They appeared in 1841 in Milton Lilbourne where they were both 45 and children Lucy 20, Harriet 15, Thomas 13, Ann 10, Elizabeth 18, Sarah 7m
    HO107; Piece: 1180; Book: 13

    He always lived in Milton Lilbourne, in 1851 where he was aged 56: HO107; Piece: 1844; Folio: 285; Page: 26

    1861 He was aged 65: RG 9; Piece: 1308; Folio: 68; Page: 21

    in 1871 he was possibly the James who was pauper with a Margaret Goddard, a widow, both aged 70
    Class: RG10; Piece: 1941; Folio: 16; Page: 23

    The question is who were his parents?
    I have DNA matches that strongly suggest that he was the son of Mary (Kimber) b 1765 and Thomas Goddard who married in Burbage in 1791.

    Can anyone find a birth for him that would confirm this. Other trees have siblings born in Easton Royal, and him born Wootton Rivers. But he always says born Milton on censuses, so I'm not sure. Thank you
     
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    FMP have a transcription of a baptism for a James Goddard on 29 June 1794 at Milton Lilbourne - parents Thomas and Elizabeth.
     
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    Yes the place fits, but I'm not sure about the date. I know it's not a big difference but it does'nt seem right. I haven't found more about this couple to check it out
     
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    Remember - ages were not as important back then as they are today. For the 1851 and 1861 censuses, the baptism date is within a year or two, so looks very promising.
     
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    Yes i know :( But it doesn't make sense :headbang:
     
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    Not sure if this helps or not, James had 2 siblings
    Charlotte 1790
    John 1788 - it is noted on each the mother's name is Elizabeth Mead, and on John's entry he is base born.

    However Thomas Goddard widow married Elizabeth Mead spinster 9/9/1793 in Milton Lilbourne, both otp

    So could the dna connection be through Thomas's children with his first wife?
     
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    That's interesting, thank you, I hadn't seen this. But looking into Thomas and Elizaberth Mead it doesn't seem to lead anywhere. The DNA won't come from the first wife as she wouldn't be my ancestor :)
     
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    Thomas however still would be wouldn't he? [Up early again so could be sleep talking]
     
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    I meant step siblings of your James (I didn't put it very well), or even through Charlotte's and John's children
     
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    What doesn't make sense?
     
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    The James baptised at Wooton Rivers - 27/1/1797 was the son of Sarah Goddard, with no father entered - so it looks like you can discount this James as being part of the Thomas and Mary family
     
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    Thanks all, I'm obviously clutching at straws. All my matches and family trees would have made sense had this been so. So back to the horrible tangle I go, to try to find the ends that lead back to my branch. Wish me luck, I may be some time!
     
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    I'll keep you company battling mine Lass. :rolleyes:
     
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    Family Search has a tree with a Thomas Goddard 1771-1855 marrying SARAH Kimber 1765-1885?.....i think this should be 1855 in Easton Royal Wiltshire 8/6/1791. No son James but Thomas has a brother James Goddard born 1783-1851 Father Stephen mother Jane Wilkins. Needs some sorting out and I’m a bit short of time at the moment.
    Oh and Sarah and Thomas have a daughter Charlotte amongst others which I will check later.
    I wonder if Mary was Sarah’s sister either one of them dying and Thomas marrying the surviving one.
     
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    OK getting back to the Kimbers....Sarah was baptised 16/3/1765 along with her sister Hester, parents are Francis Kimber and Grace. 26/8/1762 they baptised MARY. All children baptised Burbage, Mary 1762, Sarah and Hester 1765 Robert 1772, Frances 1770, Henry 1768.
    The children of James Goddard and Catherine Hillman suspiciously have the same names of some of the children of Thomas and Sarah Kimber. Charlotte, Harriet, Daniel, Mary, Lucy, David, Thomas, Ann, Thomas.
     
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    I think Thomas was leading a double life....:headbang:
     
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    Has this come up here?
    Burial of Mary Goddard 4/4/1786 Milton Lilbourne spouse Thomas Goddard.
     
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    Milton Lilbourne burial list has Mary Goddard dying of smallpox buried 4/4/1786 wife of Thomas
    Thomas Goddard buried 1808 and Elizabeth Goddard widow of Thomas Goddard buried 22 may 1811.
     
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    Burial of John Goddard, infant father Thomas mother Mary 31/3/1776 Milton Lilbourne.
     
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    So that sorts out the first wife:)
     
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