James the Second

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  1. burt

    burt Where there's a will there's a way!

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    So do you want the details of the marriage of Francis & Jane Knowles, the ML,
    the baptisms of the children, the burials of the children and the MIs for the
    family?
    I forgot to say I was unable to either marry off daughter Mary or kill her off!
     
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    Yes please.
     
  3. burt

    burt Where there's a will there's a way!

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    At Littlehampton
    1717 Nov 12 Francis KNOWLS & Jane EDSAW lic

    ML
    1717 Nov 9 Francis KNOWLES bach yeo of Burpham
    & Jane EDSAW spin of Angmering

    Burpham Baptisms

    1718 Oct 22 KNOWLS Mary d Francis & Jane
    1720 Apr 30 KNOWLS Jane d Francis & Jane
    1722 Apr 23 KNOWLS William s Francis & Jane
    1724 Feb 28 KNOWLS Francis s Francis & Jane
    1725 Sep 17 KNOWLS Sarah d Francis
    1728 Apr 30 KNOWLS John s Francis & Jane
    1730 Mar 18 KNOWLS Elizabeth d Francis

    Burpham Burials

    1724 Oct 24 KNOWLS Francis s Francis
    1731 Aug 21 KNOWLS Jane d Francis
    1741 Jul 27 KNOWLS Francis
    1741 Oct 16 KNOWLES William s Nicholas? (should be Francis -
    - Nicholas is the entry above)
    1741 Dec 10 KNOWLES Jane wife or widow of Francis
    1741 Dec 10 KNOWLS Sarah d Francis

    Burpham MIs
    These stones are in a line in the shadow of the Church Tower.

    Here lyeth the body of Sarah ye daughter of FRANCIS and JANE
    KNOWLES who died the 10th of December 1741 aged 16 years

    Here lyeth the body of FRANCIS KNOWLES yeoman who died the
    27th July 1741 aged 56 years
    When Christ our saviour shall appear/then we shall rise who sleepeth here
    Here lyeth the body of JANE the wife of FRANCIS KNOWLES who died
    the 28th October 1741 aged 45 years
    She was both ye humble meek and kind/to ??ie a stranger and to good inclind

    Here lyeth the body of JANE the daughter of FRANCIS and JANE KNOWLES
    who died the 18th of August 1731 aged 11 years

    Here lyeth the body of WILLIAM the son of FRANCIS and JANE KNOWLES
    who died the 16th of October 1741 aged 19 years
     
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    burt Where there's a will there's a way!

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    If you Google 'epidemic 1741 sussex' you get a frightening account of
    the progress of the disease which would prove more fatal to healthy
    country people than those in towns where perhaps they had a little
    mor immunity.
     
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    Blackmogs Moderator. General Dogs(cats)body. Staff Member

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    Thank you so much Burt. Very very helpful, I'm sure they are right.
     
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    burt Where there's a will there's a way!

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    I have actually got your Sowters back to a Marriage in 1637 so quite a
    bit to go through yet, unless you want to do it of course!

    A bit more on Knowles-
    Burpham Marriage
    1681 Apr 5 John KNOWLES & Jane UPPERTON
    (So you have Upperton on both sides)
    Burpham Baptisms
    1682 Feb 10 KNOWLES Mary d John
    1684 Mar 1 KNOWLES Jane d John & Jane
    1686 Feb 27 KNOWLES Francis s John & Jane
    1687 Jul 22 KNOWLES John s John & Jane
    1689 Feb 14 KNOWES Matha d John
    1691 Dec 11 KNOWLES Sarah d John
    1693 Jul 9 KNOWLES Thomas s John
    1696 Jun 3 KNOWLES Richard s John & Jane

    I believe John died in 1721 and left a Will but would need to check.
     
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    Crikey, perhaps we can do it independently and then compare notes lol.
     
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    Hmm @burt , not sure I am making the right connections. I can see Richard marrying Rose Jackson at Easebourne in 1637, then having Nicholas in 1638. Nic seemingly marrying twice first to Mary Holland, then to Joan Upperton in1674 at Burpham. Cannot find a burian for Mary. With Joan came William baptised 1677 Amberley.
    William married Rachel Young at Amberley in 1711 (he would have been 34 though quite old) and they went on to have 6 children one of whom was Richard who is mentioned at post #18. Is that what you were thinking??
     
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    burt Where there's a will there's a way!

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    Yes, that's right, the main problem is that you no doubt cannot see the
    various hiatus in the Registers, particularly the burials.
    It seems Richard & Rose moved to Amberley from Easebourne just before
    or during the Civil War. Richard dies in 1672 and there is a Will for him.
    Rose, widow, dies in 1683.
    Nicholas dies in 1679 and Joan marries again in 1680 to Richard Hopkins.
    There is then a large gap in the burial Register which is where Richard
    Hopkins would be, but there is a Will dated 1693. Joan Hopkins, widow,
    then marries Christopher Tupper in 1696 and I think died before 1699.
    The three marriages are OK but I am not quite so sure about a fourth
    to John Young in 1699, but I think so. Then I think Joan Young dies 1700.
    The interesting thing is the naming patterns. Nicholas died when William
    was about two years old so Nicholas does not repeat.
    William names his firstborn after himself, his second after his last step father,
    the third after the previous stepfather and the last son after his first step
    father. I don't think it would be after his grandfather as he died five years
    before he was born.
     
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    Fabulous, I will get on to SFHG for the Wills. Thank you so much for this burt, I honestly thought I would never ever get past that Richard and Mary blockage, and the dodgy trees on Ancestry dont help.
     
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    burt Where there's a will there's a way!

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    The Wills you get from Chichester Archives.
    They are listed on FMP, go to A-Z index, start to type in 'Chichester' and
    that will give you the reference numbers.
     
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    I have just had a message from Nicholas' 8th great grandson following a post I made on the SFHG page yesterday! Wowwhen a brickwall comes down it surely does come with a wallop.
     
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    Excellent news! 8(:-)
     
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    I know! Now I need to see whether, after my grandma duties early next week, I can slope off to Chichester on the way home on Thursday and get myself copies of the Wills:).
     
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    burt Where there's a will there's a way!

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    Also if you had time when down that end, photos of the various gravestones
    at Burpham and Lyminster would be good. I have already given you the
    location for the former and I will give you an approximate location for the latter.
    The only Richard that appears in the 1641 Protestation Returns is at Heyshott,
    and I notice a Richard son of Richard at Stedham. So probably moved from
    Easebourne to Stedham, then to Heyshott and eventually to Amberley.
     
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    I'm really pleased for you Sue - I'm sure a sloping off to Chichester won't be frowned upon. Why not contact them for copies and say you will pick them up 'when you just happen to be passing by on Thursday' :rolleyes::D xx
     
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    Just phoned them! The Wills are on fiche and apparently all you have to do is find them and print them off. Since I dont want pristine copies that will do nicely. :D

    How exciting this is, @burt I will try for the photos. I have no clue where these places are in relation to Chichester, so will need to do a spot of Googling.
     
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    @burt have sent you a private message.
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    So Burt, when you're not busy.........I have these two 3rd Gt. G'daddies who...;)
     
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