Jane Evans from Radnorshire.

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    Back in a "previous life" I started an inquiry about the family of Jane Evans [born abt. 1837] to parents John Evans [born abt 1812 in St. Harmons] and Ann Whilding [born abt 1808 in Llandinam].

    Jane was their 2nd child.

    When her parents married 3 Apr. 1833 in St. Harmons the witnesses were Jeremiah Whilding and John Evans. I suspect that the Jeremiah Whilding was either Ann's brother or her father. As for the John Evans, I wonder if this could be John's father?

    I have not been able to find a baptism for him.
     
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    Might be of use to you. On Ancestry:
    John Evans - Will - Tany Coed, St Harmon dated 1810 Dec 15 probate
    1827 Jan 24
    Edward Evans son
    John Evans son
    Hannah Evans wife
    John Davies son in law Berth, St Harmon
    John Thomas son in law St Harmon
    Elizabeth Bound dau of John Bound
    John Oliver son in law
    Children of son in law John [Oliver]
    5 children of son in law John Davies
    Exec. Edward Evans son
    £300

    Also 1837-1847 page 141 [image 186]
    John Evans gentleman St Harmon
    dated 1838 probate 1840
    You can see the extra details
     
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    From what I can see of it John Evans appears in the later Census at Abbey Cymhir as of Cwmtyther or Cymteudwr, that is to say Llansantffraed-Cwmdeuddwr near Rhayader and about 3-4 miles south of St Harmon.
    In which case the Baptism there of:-
    1813 Jan 16 Evan s William & Mary EVANS Gwyllyn Mill, miller
    seems a possibility.
     
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    Also, as it appears John Evans was married to Ann in 1861, was widowed in 1871 and married to Mary in 1881, then if a view of that second marriage could be obtained, hopefully without ordering a Certificate, it should give his father's name and possibly his occupation.
     
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    The John Evans that I am following is:
    1841 - H0107/1455/1/11/15 - with wife Ann, 3 daughters Ann, Jane and Elizabeth - occupation Not stated. With family is Mary Evans [sister?]
    1851 - H0107/2494/15/6 - with wife Ann, 4 daughters Ann, Jane, Elizabeth and Mary and 2 sons John and Thomas - occupation Farmer. With family are 2 brothers [aged 4 and 1month [at nursing].
     
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    OK.
    1851 Census Gollen, Abbey Cwmhir HO107/2494/15
    Maeswailod
    John Evans h m 39 farmer Radnor St Harmon
    Ann w m 43 Montgomery Llandinam
    Ann d
    Jane d
    Elizabeth d
    Mary d
    John s
    Thomas s
    + 2 nurse children + 1 visitor

    1861 Census Abbey Cwmhir RG9 423?/ 4
    Maesagwailod
    John Evans h m 49 farmer 21 acres Cwmstydwr
    Ann w m 51 Montgomery Llandinam
    Mary d 16 Abbey Cwmhir
    John s 13 "
    Thomas s 10 "
    Sarah d 7 "

    1871 Census Maesagwaled Abbey Cwmhir RG10/5599/34
    John Evans h wid 61 St Harmon
    Mary Watkins d in law wid housekeeper
    Thomas Evans s 19 Abbey Cwmhir
    Thomas Watkins gs 5

    1881 Census Maesagwaled Abbey Cwmhir RG11/5475/9
    John Evans h m 69 Cwmthyther
    Mary Evans w m 65 Abbey Cwmhir
    + visitor Sarah Lewis [dau?]

    1891 Census Nantyfeen Abbey Cwmhir RG12/4584/4
    John Evans h m 79 farmer Radnor Cwmddyddr
    Mary Evans w m 76 Abbey Cwmhir
     
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    The marriage of John Evans and Mary Wozencroft in 1872 is on FMP
     
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    National Probate Calendar
    John Evans of Nantyfeen, Abbey Cwmhir, Radnor. died 12 Apr 1892. Probate
    Hereford 13 June to Thomas Evans, farmer. Effects £5.
     
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    The transcript of this marriage can be found on FreeReg
    Code:
    https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/581853e4e93790eb7f9846bc?search_id=5aebf3694325a65c66ef7599&ucf=false
     
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    Thanks for the above posts - I was in error after 1871 - and now I'm on the right trail after all.
     
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    Even though I have a sub. on Ancestry, I wasn't able to view this in any more detail than what you provided.

    If the John Evans who died in 1827 is my John's father then I was hoping that the marriage of 3 Apr. 1833 between John and Ann Whilding, might mention the name and status [living or dec.'d] and the occupation of his father.

    Sadly on Ancestry it is a transcription only - no image -
     
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    I considered this carefully again, and the Will is dated 1810. Therefore the married daughters are of a generation earlier. I see a Gwen Evans married a
    John Oliver in 1810.
    There is a John & Elizabeth in the 1851 Census, born c 1776. There is a John
    and Mary married at St Harmon 1809.
    These families seemingly were non conformist so only marriages and Wills to
    go on.
     
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    Fathers' names were not given usually prior to July 1837 for marriages.
    In the 1833 marriage both bride and groom sign by mark, as does witness
    Jeremiah Whilding. The other witness is Thomas Jones, a common witness,
    not John Evans. They are bach and spin.
     
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    Sorry! Post 12 is wrong, it is John & Mary in the 1851 Census

    John EVANS h m 75 farmer of 28 acres born Radnor St Harmon
    Mary EVANS w m 66 farmers wife Radnor St Harmon
    James EVANS s un 27 farmers son Radnor St Harmon
    John HAMAR serv un 17 farm servant Radnor St Harmon
    Elizabeth HAMAR SERV un 22 house servant Radnor St Harmon

    St Harmon
    1809 Sep 2 John Evans [X] of Llangirig & Mary OWENS [X] otp banns
    wit. Benjamin Jones [X]; David Price [common witness]
     
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    Anc. Wales Probate Abstracts - St Davids

    John EVANS of St Harmon, farmer. dated 4 Jan 1848; died 4 Aug 1856;
    proved 3 Oct 1856
    James EVANS son
    Anne wife of Thomas LEWIS of Penpistill
    Mary EVANS wife
    Exec. Mary EVANS wife
    witnesses John Jones; Edward Meredith £450
     
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    Thinking about John Evans - there are just too many and it is frying what's left of my little grey cells.

    I think I'll leave him to R.I.P
     
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    Have seen the marriage on FreeReg. and both were widowed. The date was 22 Mar. 1872.

    Mary was the widow of Reyhold or Reynold or Reynolds Wozencraft who died 2nd q. 1865 in Rhayader vol.11b, page 144. They were married 26 May 1834 in Abbeycmhir, Rad. Her maiden name was Evans.

    When he died in in 1865, he left Mary as a widow and her youngest child [Sarah] was age 8 in 1861, so by 1872 when she married John Evans all her children were no longer "in the nest". I cannot find her in 1871 census. Can she be found?
     
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    Could this be her

    1871
    RG10, Piece 5597, Folio 67, Page 2
    Dolley, Upper, Llananno, Knighton, Radnorshire (for Dolley read Dolau)

    Mary Wozencraft, Head, Widowed, 58, 1813, Formerly Farmer, Abbycwmhir, Radnorshire
    Emmily*, Wozencraft, Granddaughter, 7, 1864, Llananno, Radnorshire
     
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    Could well be, Terry.
     
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    Not having found Mary Wozencraft and family in 1841 census, I started with 1851 and the name was transcribed as WASSENCRAFT - H0107/2493/381/6 - consisting of:
    Reynolds - age 43 - a Mason - born Llananno, Rad
    Mary - age 31 - no occ. - born Gollon, Rad
    Elizabeth - age 14 - born Llananno, Rad
    Mariam - age 12 - born Llananno, Rad
    Mary - age 10 - born Llananno, Rad
    John - age 7 - born Llananno, Rad
    George - age 7 - born Llananno, Rad
    William - age 5 - born Gollon, Rad
    Reynold - age 1 - born Llananno, Rad.

    1861 -RG9/4235/61/2
    Reynolds -age 55 - a Mason - born Llananno, Rad
    The 3 eldest daughters are no longer in the household and the sons are now
    John - age 17 - a Mason - born Llananno, Rad
    George - age 17 - a Mason - born Llananno, Rad
    Reynolds - age 11 - born Llananno, Rad.
    the mother Mary is now aged 46 and was born in Abbeycmhir, Rad
    Sarah is the one addition age 8 born Llananno, Rad.

    The father died in Jun. q. 1865 in Rhayader age 63 vol. 11b page 144.

    Of all the children found on census records above, the only ones I can confirm with MMN Evans from GRO are:
    William - J. quarter 1846 vol. 26 page 283 Rhayader and Nantmel
    Reynold - S. quarter 1849 vol. 26, page 252 Knighton
    Sarah - S. quarter 1852 vol. 11B, page 172.

    In the 1881 census - RG11/5475/9/11 - in MAESAGWAYLAD - there is a Sarah LEWIS with son Philip. She was a Farm Lab.'s wife. This is Sarah Wozencraft who married Thomas Lewis in 1870.
     

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