John Carter and Beaton/Beaten of Camborne

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  1. Genie1

    Genie1 Well-Known Member

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    Trying to go further back with my lot.
    John Carter had a son named Charles and Charles married Hannah Floyd. There are posts abot them on the Cornwall forum.
    Charles was baptised 17 Sep 1786 at Camborne and John Carter and Beaten is on the transcript.
    I left it that for a long time but decided to go back futher.
    I have never heard of the name Beaten as a Christian name before.
    Cornwallopc has baptisms for children of John and Beaton/Beaten ranging from 1774 to 1786 finishing with Charles in 1876, I counted 13 children and I presume they belong to the same people.
    There is a marriage between John and Beaten//Beaton Donithorne on 28 July 1771,
    I can't find a baptism for Beaten/Beaton Donithorne but there is one on Cornwallopc for Peaton Donithorne daughter 26 February 1748 father Cyprian.
    Anybody think that this could be her and a misprint?
    John Carter will be a headache.
     
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    Daft Bat Administrator. Chief cook & bottle washer! Staff Member

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    Yes. FMP has her baptism with the transcribed name Beaton, so Beaton/Peaton would be the same person.

    Another difference is the year: 1749 rather than 1748.
     
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    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    FMP has it as 26/2/1749 father Cyprian, but first name Beaton :)

    There was a sister Elizabeth bap 27/7/1746 father Cyprian

    Both at Camborne
     
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    Cyprian Donnithorne married Agnes Carter 26/1/1733/4 Cambourne.

    Some more children for you
    Mary 2/3/1735
    Joseph 27/2/1737
    Alice 25/1/1739
    Christian 27/9/1741 - a daughter
    Agnes 27/5/1744
    Susannah 3/5/1752

    The only bap for Ciprian Donithorne I can see is 9/5/1682 at Gulval s/o William
    a bit too old ? for the one who married in 1733, so it could be his father.
     
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    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    Found him!
    Cyprianus Donithorn bap 21/7/1710 Gulval s/o Gregorii

    There are 2 baps for Gregory Donithorne's in Gulval
    22/6/1678 s/o John
    22/8/1680 s/o William
     
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    He had such a fancy name. Cyprian.
    So his daughter has a mother with surname Carter and Beaton marries a Carter.
    Now there is a problem with the father.
    I often wonder how people go back quite a way when they have 2 names to follow.
    How can they be sure that they follow the correct person.
    As with Gregory.
    Pity Beaton's husband didn't have an unusual name.
    John Carter will be fun.
     
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    If Cyprian had to pay a dowry 6 times he must have been out of pocket.
     
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    Genie1, I am a direct descendant of John Carter and Beaton/Beaten Donithorne, and you are quite right - Beaton is a fairly rare name - which actually makes things a bit easier. Interestingly, Beaton Donithorne's mother, Agnes, was the full sister to John Carter's father, Sumars/Somers Carter. We have first cousins marrying. Another interesting tidbit is that Beaton had a son, Sommer Carter Donithorne "base child" who was baptized on the same day that Beaton and John married. Still haven't solved that oddity.

    So, if you need any history, I have the trees for both John and Beaton going back some generations and most all of it is substantiated with documentation. Do not believe for one moment that John Carter's father, Sommer Carter b. 1701, was the son of John Carter and Katherine Tregurtha - you will see that frustrating error again and again on family trees. Drives me nuts :headbang:
     
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    Genie1 Well-Known Member

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    I am interested in the Carter/Donithorne lines.
     
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    Let me know what you would like to know - I'm more than happy to give you what information I have, but there is a boatload of it.
     
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    Has the name of Hannah Floyd appeared in your Carter information?
    She is the one that married Charles Carter and they had 3 children bur 2 had died.
     
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    Yes, I have Hannah Floyd Carter but have only two children, Amelia and Hannah and have not investigated line further.
     
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    Genie1 Well-Known Member

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    Cornwallopc have a baptism of
    William Carter parents Charles Carter and Anne. (The couple married 1st January 1833 at Gwinear.)
    Baptsim of William Carter
    30th Mar 1833
    Parish Circuit Or Chapel Camborne
    Forename William
    Surname CARTER
    Sex
    Age Or Date Of Birth
    Father Forename Charles
    Mother Forename Anne
    Residence near Roseworthy
    Parish
    Status Or Occupation Miner

    Burial
    William
    Surname CARTER
    5th Jul 1834
    Age 16m
    Residence Gwinear
     
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    Forename William
    Surname CARTER
    Sex
    Age Or Date Of Birth
    Father Forename Charles
    Mother Forename Anne

    Thank you. I had missed this because of mother's name "Anne" and the baptism within a few months of the marriage. I also found the birth on the FamilySearch.org site and the mother's name is transcribed "Anna." This tracks well with Hannah Floyd as mother.

    One other item to note regarding your original comment about the given name, Beaton/Beaten, I found that it originated as a diminutive of Beatris/Beatrice/Beatrix. In theory, a baby could be baptized Beatris but marry and have children as Beaton. It complicates research but is nice to know.
     
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