I am working on my cousin's wife's family - her father died when she was just 12 and she knows nothing of his family. George is her direct line and I have hit a brick wall. John George married Margaret Davies on 24/8/1858 at the registry office, district of Merthyr Tydfil - I have the m/c. He give his age as 27 bachelor, living in Aberdare - his father was William George, farmer, deceased. No George Witnesses 1861 census - Alma Street Aberdare RG09/4068/20/34 John George coal miner b1832 Monmouth Nantyglo Margaret and Daughter Rachel 1871 census Alma Street Aberdare RG10/5054/30/9 John George coal miner b1831 Monmouthshire Margaret and children Rachel, Thomas, Catherine and Louisa (note no son called William) 1881 census Margaret Street Aberdare RG11/5320/8/9 John George collier b1831 Mon (sic) Margaret plus Thomas and Louisa and married Catherine, her husband and child John dies 1890 aged 59 (Margaret is living with now married son Thomas in 1891) So can anyone find John George prior to his marriage? I have searched 1841 & 1851 for a John with father William - farmer The only one I can find is in 1841 HO107 piece1417 book23 folio14 page3 Welford Penmark Cardiff - but that appears to be miles away from Nantyglo and is in Glamorgan John is pretty consistent with his year of birth c1831 and Monmouthshire as pob Of course William the farmer may be an exaggeration or a figment of his imagination but without finding a baptism that is all I have to go on.