John Henry Boulter (formally Parry)

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  1. jules333

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    I have been given permission by John (now 86 years old) to post in the hope of tracing his past. John was born in April 1929 to a lady called Mabel Parry at 202 Wolverhampton Road Cannock Staffs (Ivy House 'The workhouse'). He was placed in a childrens home in Cannock at the age of 3 and later transferred to Lichfield Childrens home under the care of Mr and Mrs Furber. I have helped John over several monthe sto try to find out more about his background but we havent been able to establish very much. He doesnt think he has any surviving relatives but would love to know more about his placement in the homes. Can anyone help?
     
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    http://www. workhouses.org.uk/Cannock/#Homes
    The above link tells you about the workhouse, if you scroll down the page it mentions what happened to the place in 1930.
     
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    Thank you so much
     
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    You are welcome, only a little bit but may be the start you need. Good luck and if you need any more help don't hesitate to ask as there are far more expert helpers here than I:)
     
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    Having searched the census records I have been able to find Johns grand parents and his mother and sister on the 1901 census. However by the 1911 census John had a new auntie but the previous one had disappeared from the records. Does this mean she died? If so how can I check
     
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    Do you have the census reference for this so that we may have a look at who we are searching for, please? :)
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Is this your Family in 1901?
    William Parry 31 b.1870 Coal Miner Stallman- Gilwern, Monmouthshire, Wales
    Mary Parry Wife 33 b.1868 -Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England
    Mabel Parry Daughter Single 9 1892 - Wales
    Sarah A Parry Daughter Single 6 1895 - Wales
    RG13 Piece number 2663 Folio 151 Page 26
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    Births Sep 1891
    Parry Mabel Crickhowell 11b-103
    ......
    Births Sep 1894
    Parry Sarah Ann Crickhowell 11b-100........
    .....................
    1911
    William Parry, Miner Stallman. 41 b.1870 Southwales
    Mary Parry Wife 43 b.1868 Wednesbury Staffordshire
    Mabel Parry Daughter Single At Home 20 1891 South Wales Brecorshire
    Lily Parry Daughter Single School 8 b.1903 Hednesford Staff'shire
    17 Cannock Near Road Hazel Slade Hednesford
    RG14-PN16899
    ...................
    1911 poss.?
    Miss Sarah Parry 19 [?age a bit out.] domestic servant to Hon[orable?] W.F. Clegg Hill & Mrs. at Greenfield Presteigne -Radnorshire.
    RG14; Piece: 33650;
    .....
    via FreeBMD, I've not found a death to match Sarah a. & would need to know her residential area to guess at one of the many marriages.
    Likewise for Lily.

    Apologies if this is the wrong Family.
     
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    This may also apply:
    Marriages Mar 1891
    Boulter Mary Crickhowell 11b-143
    Parry William Crickhowell 11b-143

    1891-RG12/4576/page 10 -Breconshire, Llanelly
    Canal tramroad.
    William Parry 22 b. Breconshire,quarry lab'r.
    Mary Parry 23 b.Wednesbury,Staff.
    ..................
     
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    Only 2 births for the name Mable Parry on FreeBMD this looks the most likely one as the other is in 1889

    Births Dec 1/4 1895
    Mable Parry - Pwllheli - Vol No. 11b, Page no 365.
    (this would make her 34 in 1929)

    or did his mother have a middle name, are there any records for John as if he was fostered or adopted there should be something somewhere
     
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    I no longer have a sub to Ancestry but this looks a likely person to investigate

    1911 Census
    NAME: Mable Parry - age 18
    BIRTH: abt 1893 - Staffordshire
    RESIDENCE: Worcestershire, England


    1901 Census - age 4
    NAME: Mable Parry
    BIRTH: abt 1897 - Staffordshire, England
    RESIDENCE: Staffordshire
     
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    It would help if Jules could tell us the census she found John's Mother Mabel on, is it the one above? if offers two different Dtrs in the Family who would have been Aunts to John.
    Finding Mabel's birth etc hinges on which birth year we work on & was she born in Crickhowell area or somewhere else.
    # 7 & 8 if correct show the Mother b. Wednesbury but I haven't found her as such before 1891. Dtr Lily b.Hednesford Staff'shire,=
    Births Mar 1903
    Parry Lily - Cannock 6b-534 =res. as in 1901
    ..............
    Several marriages for a Mabel Parry, one for a Mabel M. after 1911

    ponderings:
    Caernarvonshire 127 miles to crickhowell
    Merthyr Tydfil 18.5 miles to Crickhowell- Ebbw VAle in between (Fathers birth place)
    Birth-Mabel Mary 1892 Abergavenny 5.9 miles to Crickhowell
    (Mother's name Mary?) A marriage for a Mabel M.-1913 Abergavenny.
    Cannock 108 miles to Crickhowell
    Births Mar 1903
    Parry Lily - Cannock 6b-534

    Really need input from Jules.:confused:
    p.s. name of Mabel's Mother -Boulter ..same as John's later? was he adopted by a relative of his Mother ?
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Jules, if the previous posts are correct, I may have fund your Sarah A. Parry.

    1911
    Sarah Parry 16. c1895.
    B: Gilwon, South Wales [Gilwern] 4.9 miles -Crickhowell
    Servant (Employee)
    Civil Parish: Cannock
    David Craddock 63
    Mary A Craddock 62
    William Richards 48
    John Mc Nally 19
    Sarah Parry 16
    RG14; Piece: 16953;
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    Marriages Jun 1923

    Cornwall John + Parry at Cannock 6b-1031
    Parry Sarah A. Cornwall at Cannock 6b-1031
    (just a possible.)
     
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    I was thinking the same thing places to far apart, in those times folks didn't go to far from home, although I posted the Births I found on FreeBMD for Mable parry I know not all are transcribed yet so there may be more.

    We really need a reply from Jules
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    In a touch of the desperates I contacted Hednesford Council Library to see if the Family were still at 1911 address for many years after 1911.
    Instant reply:
    Electoral registers did not begin until 1949, local directories between 1914 & 1939 do not show all residents who may have lived there.
    Hazel Slade area was not large enough to have an entry before 1938, when a different Family lived at 17 Cannock Wood Rd.
    A Mr W. Parry lived Station Rd Hednesford in 1922-that address in 1911 is for a Mr William Waterworth.


    A William Parry died at Cannock in 1949 aged 78 which is within age range for the William in above censuses.
     
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    From post #11, FreeBMD shows that Lily Parry's birth was registered in the Cannock district in the first quarter of 1903.

    Unfortunately the General Register Office (GRO) birth indexes, which are the basis of the birth index on FreeBMD, do not show mother's maiden name until 1911. That makes it harder to pick out siblings or to track back to a likely parents' marriage without paying for certificates.

    For some areas, though, indexes to local registrars' records are online and some of these indexes do give mother's maiden name. One such local BMD website is Staffordshire BMD:

    http://www.
    staffordshirebmd.org.uk/

    Many of the birth entries there don't give mother's maiden name, but luckily the one for Lily Parry does: her mother's maiden name was Boulter. That would fit nicely with the 1891 marriage found by Ma-dotcom (post #8). On the 1911 census William & Mary Parry say they've been married for 20 years so that would tie in very well with the 1891 marriage.

    Note also that they say on the 1911 census that they've had 3 children and all are still alive. Only Mabel and Lily are with them, so the other must still be around somewhere.

    NB that on the Staffordshire BMD site, Lily's birth is shown as being in 1902, whereas in the national index on FreeBMD her birth registration is shown as being in the first quarter of 1903. Presumably the Staffordshire BMD site is indexed according to the actual year of birth, whereas the GRO index is according to the quarter and year when the birth was registered. Births didn't have to be registered immediately, so a birth at the end of 1902 might not be registered until early 1903.
     
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    Thanks for that clarification Jane.
    I wonder why no birth shows up for a Mary Boulter? either 1860-69, yet FreeBMD has a Mary reg'd 1866 & a Mary Jane E 1867.. both W.Bromwich.

    Also saw on Genes Reunited that there are 2 or 3 possible contacts for w of these Family names.
    So, do 'I keep on keeping on' & contact one of them or just drop it.?

    Will ponder after breakfast which I have almost missed.:rolleyes:
     
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    I think that area is covered by a different BMD website, i.e. West Midlands BMD:

    http://www.
    westmidlandsbmd.org.uk/index.php
     
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    Thanks Jane, may just 'drop it'; & concentrate on 'Trove' & 'National Archives' transcribing.

    Less h'aches.
     
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    Thank you all for your info so far. I am trying to look into every lead x x
     
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    So sorry I have not replied to these. As I am new to the site I thought all messages came via e mail and have only just realised I need to log into the site so please accept my apologies.Yes the line being followed is correct. John knows his sister Lil was 14 years older than him so has difficulty understanding how he came to be placed in the workhouse with his mother? He really wants to find out when Mabel was placed in the workhouse
     
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