John Wilson Marriage

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  1. Chimp

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    Can anyone find a marriage of John Wilson of Knighton Radnorshire around 1861-1863 His wife's name is given as Martha.

    They were Primitive Methodists

    John was a Tanner like his father before him. His parents were John Wilson and Elizabeth (nee Edwards)

    John Wilson Snr died in 1856

    1861 census
    RG09
    Piece number 4233
    Folio 6
    Page number 6
    Bowling Green Lane Knighton.

    John is unmarried and living at home with his mother.

    1871 Census
    RG10
    Piece number 5596
    Folio 16
    Page 14
    Tan House Knighton

    John is a widower still living at home with his mother.

    Later he moved to Chestnut House.

    His parents
    JOHN WILSON late tanner of this town
    Died June 6th 1856 Aged 82 years
    ELIZABETH relict of the late JOHN WILSON
    Died Jan 27 1872 in the 87th year of her age

    John and his wife Martha
    MARTHA WILSON ( wife of JOHN WILSON Junior) Died 12th July 1863.Aged 50
    Also JOHN WILSON of Chestnut House in this parish Died 18th May 1885.Aged 73.
     
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    This from the Shrewsbury Chronicle 17 July 1863 (it is a day out, says 11th grave says 12th.)
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    There is the marriage of a John WILSON in the June quarter of 1861 (so after the census of that year) and on the same page is a Martha OWEN. This took place in Weobley, Herefordshire - not a million miles from Knighton - just 20ish ;). (6a/871)

    I am not saying that it is her, but it would be worth investigating as to whether she is around in 1851 with a previous husband as John and Martha married late in life.
     
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    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    Just found that one.. my thoughts too :)
     
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    Ah now you may have something there. The name Owen is linked with this family but where the link was no-one seems to know.
     
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    Hereford Times 4th May 1861
    April 27, at the Primitive Methodist chapel, Weobley, by the Rev. Joseph Preston, Mr John Wilson, Knighton, to Miss M. Owen, youngest daughter of the late Mr Wm. Owen, of Brynnorgan.

    The notice also appears in the Shrewsbury Chronicle of the 3rd May 1861 with the addition of the fact that the vicar was the brother-in-law of the bride.
     
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    Brilliant, Ann. :D
     
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    But you pointed me in the right direction......:D
     
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    Brilliant. You lot are good ;)

    Can you now find her any earlier, maybe at home with her parents?

    Don't want much do I :D
     
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    Anyone idea where this place might be?
     
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    Funny that Jan, I was just trying to track it down. I've found a Bryn Morgan Colliery and mention of a Bryn Morgan 'near Morriston, Glamorganshire' in the papers, so, I suspect that might be the actual name?
     
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    Hold that last thought, I’ve just found mention of a “Brynorgan Farm at Llanvair Waterdine, five miles from Knighton” being for sale in the Wellington Journal in 1893.
     
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    Sounds good! :D
     
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    There is a marriage between a Joseph PRESTON and Elizabeth OWEN in 1830 at Leinthall Starkes, which is just 17 miles from Knighton and 15 from Weobley. ;)
     
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    That proves it Joseph Preston was married to the sister of Martha Owen. The person I was helping (although he didn't know it at the time) had a family tail that John Wilson married into the Owen family but had no proof. The marriage certificate and newspaper reports should be proof enough.

    Thank you all for your help.
     
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    Just for a bit of icing on the cake, in 1861 Martha Owen was living with Joseph and Elizabeth Preston in Weobley RG 9/1825/14/5 :)
     
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    Ooooh, brilliant Ann ;)
     
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    Well found Ann - I just could not find them, but with the ref. found them and FMP has them but with no surnames on the transcriptions:headbang:
     
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    Her baptism is on FMP though 6/6/1813 as Owens in LLanfair Waterdine d/o
    William (farmer) and Elizabeth:)
     
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    Well found MM :)
     
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