Joseph Nott born about 1810 MDX

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  1. Bonzo Dog

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    I just wonder if there is a family connection with James Knott, who died in 1847 in Worcester. His burial record infers a YOB of 1774. According to the 1841 census for Worcester his wife was named Grace and both were glove makers. According to the 1851 census Grace was born ca 1775 in St Martin Worcester, and the St Martin records show the marriage between James Knott and Grace Grave(s) 30 Dec 1796.
     
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    I can't see a James among the children of Thomas & Hannah Knott baptised at Moreton-in-Marsh, according to the index on Ancestry. However, there is a gap between Thomas (bapt 1771) and Elizabeth (bapt 1776) where another child could fit.

    Now that I look more closely I see that there is indeed a James Knott baptised at Moreton in Marsh in 1773, son of Thomas & Susanna. James so nicely fills the gap in the sequence of children of Thomas & Hannah that I think 'Susanna' could well be Hannah. So that James in Worcester certainly is a contender for another of the Moreton-in-Marsh Knotts :)
     
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    When searching for anything about William Knott/Nott, shoemaker, I found this epitaph, from Silvester Tissington's A collection of epitaphs and monumental inscriptions on the most Illustrious Persons of All Ages and Countries, published in 1857. Probably nothing to do with your (K)notts, Mrs Huma, but I couldn't resist posting it anyway.

    On WILLIAM NOTT, shoemaker of Bedlam, near Ludlow, Salop; clerk and standing overseer of the parish:-

    "He was NOTT born of womankind:
    And so it may be said,
    Altho' within this grave he lies
    We know he is NOTT dead.

    No one possessed a better sole, (soul)
    When death gave him a call:
    He to the last was firm and strong
    And calm gave up his awl. (all)

    To church he regularly went
    Upon the sabbath-day:
    It was his duty so to do
    As Clerk, and NOTT to pray.

    His character as overseer
    For charity we find
    To those who badly were distrest
    He was NOTT very kind.

    Foolish or mad he never was
    And yet it strange appears
    He lived a very quiet life
    In Bedlam forty years.

    Peace to his shade! now he is gone
    There's no one living can
    But tell the truth, and say that he
    Was NOTT an honest man.

    Then underneath this silent sod
    We'll let him now remain,
    For sure and confident are we
    He WILL NOTT rise again."
     
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    If he is the James Knott who died in Worcester, and if my tree reconstruction is correct, he's my gggg grandfather.
     
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    Love the epitaph, Jane, you do find some absolute treasures!

    Gloucestershire Burial Index only has one KNOTT/NOTT burial at Moreton in Marsh and that is for Hannah NOTT on 24 January 1838, aged 95 and this is confirmed by the parish register entry from Ancestry.

    Janet
     
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    Wouldn't that be interesting, if we were on the same Knott/Nott tree?

    Love to find the background to prove it. I only have my grandfather Harry Amos Nott emigrating to Canada between 1901-1903, so everyone else must have stayed in England.

    Wendy :reading: (need a searching icon) :D
     
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    Well, it 'appears' that my family stuck with the name NOTT, but I haven't proved it yet.

    I think this might be the right marriage for Thomas and Hannah Nott. It would be very interesting to see the Overseers Accounts or Vestry Minutes for Moreton In Marsh. Or even the Misc. Exams. I will go back into the Gloucestershire Archives and see if they can send me anything that would give me some proof.

    And while in Glos check out Batsford as well.

    Wendy :)
     
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    Do you have these?
    Mary Ann Knott 20/1/1811 St George the Martyr Southwark
    Henry Wright Knott 12/8/1807 " "
    John Knott18/1/1805 " "
    Sarah Knott 9/3/1803 " "
    Also an Ann NOTT father William mother Sarah. Lying In Hospital Endell Street Holborn 19/3/1795.
     
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    I'll have a look. :D Wendy aka MrsHuma
     
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    I have found this in Gloucestershire Archives:

    OV1 Poor rates
    OV2 Overseers’ accounts
    OV3/1 Settlement certificates
    OV3/2 Removal orders from parish
    OV3/3 Removal orders to parish
    OV3/4 Settlement examinations
    OV3/4 Miscellaneous settlement records
    OV4 Apprenticeship
    OV5 Bastardy
    OV6 Militia
    OV7 Miscellaneous overseers’ records
    OV8 Post-1834 records
    OV9 Workhouse

    Their form is not working, so have sent another form via internet to ask them to fix it. The bap, marriage and burial are all available through Ancestry. Gloucestershire.gov.uk are redoing their website.

    These are the records that will be extremely helpful, especially if my William Nott was taken from his family and went to apprentice as a cordwainer.

    If you have a chance to go through records (even if they don't apply to you) try http://www.highlittletonhistory.org.uk/poorlaw.html (no advert's - for the mod's) its a fascinating site and I found ALL my Sage's in there.

    If you need something from Ancestry - just send me a note. :D

    mrshuma aka Wendy
     
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    I found a marriage for Thomas Nott and Hannah Ross 17 March 1765 Westcote GLS, by license. If this is the correct couple, they had their first child Sarah Nott bap 2 Jun 1765 Moreton In Marsh. Any thoughts?

    Thx, Wendy aka mrshuma
     
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    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    I would say quite possible. Have you been able to track down the licence?
     
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    Hello MollyMay! No I haven't even thought about tracking down the license! Is it available? Does it have more information on it? That would be super!!

    I have gotten a reply from the Gloucestershire Archives and sent them the information I wanted. They are forwarding to correct department for a reply to me. :D Wendy aka mrshuma
     
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    If (and it is a big if) the licence is still around it 'could' give ages and adresses plus the guarantor could be another relative.
    Will have a scout around later on, if someone else has not jumped in with help.
     
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    Not that I am very proficient on finding anything on the National Archives web site - I found this and it looks like marriage licences for Gloucestershire are at the gloucestershire Archive - so it might be worth asking them.
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    Very helpful people at Glos. Archives as I recently found out.
    I sent email re burials etc. which they couldn't help with as too many unless I had name of church. My Cousin went to Library - 2miles--to find that Church & back to Archives-they didn't have the answer, but sent her next door to Family History centre who also tried then suggested another are & even phoned that place & yes they had the answer so saving Cousin from another trip of 14 + miles.
     
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    Well I sent them all the numbers from the message above when they asked me to and then I sent the page link on the Gloucester site, so they could see what I was referring to.

    If the information is like this:

    "George SAGE minor of this parish (otp) m Jane PARFITT minor otp, with parents' consent, at High Littleton 9 May 1774";

    or this:

    "Minutes of 9 Apr 1792 ordered that 2 children be taken from George SAGE's family and apprenticed to the partners concerned in a manufactory lately established at Twerton. Minutes of 21 Apr 1794 approve relief of 4 pound per week in the weekly calendar to Geo. SAGE's family, increased the following year to 4 pounds 6 per week."

    I would be a very happy girl.

    Wendy aka mrshuma
     
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    Do you have any knowledge of these : Witnesses Richard Biggs & John Henry.?

    Also have you found what you think is the correct birth/Bapt. of George?
    Have you followed any of the children Baptised to George & Jane? [tosee ifany are mentioned in apprenticeship records?
     
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    Sorry Wendy,

    I have confused you!:oops: It was an example of what I wanted to see from Gloucestershire Archives...................

    The information I provided was from the Somerset Poor Laws and Overseers reports entered by Michael Browning on the High Littleton, Somerset webpage. My George Sage was a bounder, he was born 5 Jan 1756 and baptised 11 Jan 1756. George and Jane had 9 children, William the youngest is my 3rd g grandfather. I never followed up on the apprenticeship of the 2 children.

    One quote from website - "Accounts for 1794/5 record £1. 9.11 laid out for Jane SAGE’s daughter to go to service." This daughter and one other child could be the ones mentioned going to the manufactory in Twerton.

    Wendy aka mrshuma :oops:
     
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