Knighton Church Re-Dedication

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  1. Chimp

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    Little is known of the early history of Knighton church. It has the appearance of being a medieval foundation, and reportedly functioned as a chapel of ease to Stowe, a small English village about two miles to the east.

    The medieval church, for which a Norman date has been offered on the basis of slim evidence, was replaced by a Georgian successor in 1752 and was dedicated to St Lawrence.

    Sometime later it was re-dedicated to St. Edward.

    I can't seem to find anything that mentions the rededication.

    Any suggestions?
     
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    Have you tried the local museum to see if they have any information? Failing that, the County Archives might be worth an email. :)
     
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    We don't have a local Museum :( The local archives it being relocated at the moment and is only open 2 days a week (work days for me). Not open fully until sometime in November.
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    I'm guessing you've read all of this Chimp? I only got a little past half way with stop start scrolling. Didn't read every word.
    Also I gather from google that you've been around & about askig after this?

    Is Knighton really now part of Leicester?? Perhaps they know something?

    http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/leics/vol4/pp443-446
    In 1646 the committee of sequestrators ordered that £25 from the revenues of St. Margaret's & a similar sum fro St. John Beaumont should be paid yearly for the upkeep of a minister at Knighton, whose curate then received only £5 yearly. etc......
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Also here:-
    http://www.cpat.org.uk/ycom/radnor/knighton.pdf
    History of development
    ... In later centuries, Knighton functioned as an
    unexceptional market town, expanding only gradually, and until the late 16th century when Knighton parish was imposed on an existing parochial system, St Edward's church was no more than a chapelry attached to St Michael's in Stow, over the river in Shropshire.
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    Well done Ma!
     
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    There is also a Knighton in Leicestershire, so it is a different place. There is a river that runs through our town called the Teme. There is a town called Knighton-on-Teme, but that is also another town and not where I live. It can get very confusing at times.

    Your post #5 is my town :)
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Oh dear Chimp, I'd better stay out of Knighton, both of them. I recall trying to send you to the wrong place once before. Either my geography is poor or local maps are misleading. [or both] sorry about that ;)
     
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    Don't worry Wendy, I make the same mistakes. I'd rather have 10 wrong hits and 1 right one than have no hits at all.

    You keep doing what you are doing ;)
     
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    From 'The Messenger. The Magazine of the Parish of East Radnor' September 2016. Page 15.
    'Prior to St Edwards, Knighton parish church was dedicated to St Lawrence and records show that by the 1880's it was in danger of collapse and required replacing. St Lawrence featured box pews, family seats and some panelling can be seen today in the George and Dragon public house. However, when St Edwards was constructed (c1887) simple pews were considered inadequate.......' Written by Roger Thomas.
    Now, I'm not sure when it was actually dedicated but as it was not rebuilt until 1887 wouldn't it be around that date?
     
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    Thanks AM. I think RT has the dates slightly wrong. It was actually rebuilt in 1877 with the chancel being rebuilt and completed in 1897, some 20 years later. I have all the newspaper reports as it happened. It is also on my site. But, I can find no trace of the name change. It's annoying that the papers only call it the 'Parish Church' and not by it's name.
     
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    I have just had a look at my site for a mention of the church being called St Edwards (in the newspapers) the only one I have is:-

    London Standard - 19th November 1877
    The parish church of St. Edward, Knighton, has been re-opened by the Bishop of Hereford. The work of restoration commenced in April, 1876, and was entrusted to Mr. Williams, builder, Mr. Pountney Smith being the architect. The total cost of the work, when completed, will be little short of £4,000. The amount raised by subscriptions was £3,424 14s 7d., leaving a sum of £500 to be raised.

    The Bishop of Hereford at this time was,
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    James Atlay (1817-1894)
     
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    I wonder if the minister knows the answer. I guess a visit to church today isn't on the agenda?;)
     
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    I've been having a rootle around the Lambeth Palace Library catalogue and found this entry
    http://archives.lambethpalacelibrar...rc=CalmView.Catalog&id=ICBS/FILE/01066&pos=75
    which implies the church was called St Edward's back in 1829
    There are lots of references to Knighton in the catalogue (not just 'yours' but countrywide) so it might be worth having a look through the other index entries in case they give a clue? Might also be worth e-mailing the Library to see if they can point you in the right direction :)
     
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    A worthy looking gentleman, I hope he was as worthy in fact.
     
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    She is relatively new to the area, she knows very little.
     
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    Give her a reason to learn :rolleyes:
     
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    There must be a record somewhere, so go to the top of the Administrative chain!

    A bit of a structure lesson.... o_O
    Each Church belongs to a Parish - in this case, St Edward's Knighton belongs to the parish of East Radnor.
    Each Parish belongs to a Benefice - East Radnor belongs to.... East Radnor ;)
    Each Benefice belongs to a Deanery - East Radnor belongs to Radnor and Builth
    Each Deanery belongs to an Archdeaconry - Radnor & Builth belongs to Brecon
    Each Archdeaconry belongs to a Diocese - Brecon belongs to Swansea and Brecon.

    So.... perhaps pop an email along to the Diocesan Centre: diocese.swanbrec@churchinwales.org.uk

    :D
     
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    Knighton, is as you say, now in the diocese of Swansea and Brecon, but has not always been so.
    At that time the living was a perpetual curacy, in the archdeaconry of Salop, and diocese of Hereford. But when that was I have no idea, GENUK hasn't given a date.

    I do know that it was also connected to St. Catherines Hospital Clun, Shropshire in the middle 1800's. When the chancel needed rebuilding they had to contact Edward James Herbert, the then 3rd Earl of Powis for permission. He was County Alderman for Shropshire. I have read somewhere that when he died the obeyance of Knighton church fell by the wayside. Maybe that is when it was taken over by Swansea and Brecon. The 3rd Earl of Powis died in 1891.
     
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