Knighton Drinking Establishments.

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  1. Chimp

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    I could do with some help if possible.

    I started this little project off to discover what public houses were in Knighton. It then progressed to who was running them.

    I have found most of this info off the censuses, but have also found a few burials where it says that the person was late of such-n-such pub.

    I will load it in 2 ways. .jpeg and .doc. They will both be the same files. It is just that some people may not be able to open one type of file.

    Please ignore the fact that some are written in black while others are written in red. The red ones are the ones I have found burials for.

    I would like some help to fill in the blanks please.
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    Some establishments with the same name and in the same street appear on more than one row. Is that because there were two with the same name over time?
     
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    Sorry Doug you have lost me. Can you give me an example please.
     
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    Bridge End in Bridge Street is on lines one and two. The Norton Arms in Broad Street appears on 4 Lines.
     
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    Line 1 is Bridge END line 2 is Bridge INN. That is how it has been entered on the census transcript. I suspect that they are one and the same. BUT... Was it known as Bridge END in 1861 and changed to Bridge INN in 1871. so I have made the choice to add them both until I can find out one way or the other.

    The Norton Arms only appears on one line. The others don't have the name of the pub listed, just the name of the street.

    in 1851 John and Ann Jones are the proprietors of a pub in Broad Street. Now in Broad street there are 3 pubs the Crown Inn/Hotel, George & Dragon and the Norton Arms Hotel. As it only says that they were in Broad Street and doesn't name the pub I have had to enter it the way it is until I can be sure which pub they ran.

    Does that make any sense?
     
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    Yep. Thanks for the clarification Chimp.
     
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    Just a thought, but have you contacted the Powys County Archives Office at all? They may have licencee records that could help you to tie people to establishments. Thay may also have details of any change of pub names.
     
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    Thank you Jan. Why do I never think of the obvious. It would be finding time to go to the archives, but I have a week off at Easter. Bet it's closed then :oops:
     
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    Another thought....

    Visit those drinking establishments that are still in business. ;)

    If it is a Free House, ask the owner if they have any history of the pub. It may be that it was a managed pub in the past, so you would need to contact any brewery archives to which it was affiliated.

    If it is a managed pub, then contact the current brewery archives. Be prepared to be referred to other breweries if the pub was sold on.

    Were there any breweries in Knighton that you know of? That could be another line of enquiry, especially of you find that an un-named pub was the brewery tap.
     
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    Huncamunca The Knowledgeable One

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    Directories are another good source for pub history. Try the Historical Directories website. There are also some on Ancestry, in their 'UK, City and County Directories, 1766-1946' collection.

    Under the heading 'Inns & public houses' in the Knighton section of Pigot's 1844 South Wales directory, for example, there are:

    Chandos Arms Inn (posting & commercial) Wm. Weyman, High St
    Crown Inn (commercial) Aaron Whiston, Broad St
    Fleece, Joseph Woodhouse, High St
    George & Dragon, Edward Minton, Broad St
    Globe (& excise office) John Jones, Broad St
    Golden Lion, Edwd. Williams, High st
    Horse & Jockey, William Rogers, Bull ring
    King's Head, John Pardoe, High St
    New Inn, Martha Gayther, Broad St
    Plough, William Jones, Pig Market
    Red Lion, Ann Passey, Church St
    Seven Stars, John James, High st
    Sun, James Davies, Cwm Bank
    Swan, Sarah Mead, Broad St
    Three Horse Shoes, Stephen John Reynolds, Back Lane

    Pubs also seem to get into the newspapers a lot: you may find mentions of change of licensee, accounts of crimes, reports of inquests (often held at the nearest pub), and so on. Have a look on the Welsh newspapers website.
     
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    thank you very much Huncamunca. can't wait to get home and enter it all into the spreadsheet. thank you so much.
     

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