Landowners of Blackbraes Muiravonside 1911

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  1. AnnB

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    I had no idea, but I found I had some credits for Scotlandspeople and I have no use for them.......look what I found in the Parish of Beith, County of Ayr for 1908 (Statutory deaths581/00 0047)

    David Harvey, Gardener (Married to Maggie Eccles)
    1908 May Nineteenth, 16 Church Road, Beith
    27 years
    Name etc of father/mother - Andrew Harvey, Water Superintendent
    Janet Harvey M. S. Reid
    Cause - Broncho-pneumonia
    Informant - John Eccles, Father in Law
    Registered May 19th 1908 at Beith
     
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    This is quite interesting, if you go to the link below and then at the top of the page click on Lefts Register Bk.1. It takes a while to load but when it has do Ctrl F and then search for Harvey. You will see he two Harvey children and that the year of leaving the school is 1909 and that the parents name given is Mrs Harvey rather than the father's name as the majority of the others have. Still couldn't find him on Scotlands People deaths (edit) well done Annb, somehow missed him. So that sort of makes this post redundant.
    http://maddistonschool.webs.com/
     
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    Oh Ann Ann ANN!!! What an amazing discovery. But poor Maggie!! She gave birth to daughter Jessie on 28th May 1908 so had to deal with both a death and a birth only days apart plus 2 other children. How awful for her, and then the eldest boy died in 1918.

    thank you for your perseverance - I'm going to let it ride for now and go and get me some sleep. Tomorrow is another day - for re-reading, digesting and recording.

    Thank you - and everyone - so much!!
     
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    good luck with that,..if it works please share your secret.:D
     
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    Just got there before me. (I will post what I found anyway)

    Couldn't resist, had to buy some credits.

    Jessie Reid Harvey was born 28th May 1908. at 16 Church Road, Beith. We know who her parents were so no need to enter their names.

    BUT. it says name of father David Harvey, Gardener (jobbing) Deceased

    So David must have died sometime between September 1907 and May 1908.

    WOOHOO I've only gone and flipping found David's death. (feel deflated now)

    David Harvey died just 9 days before Jessie was born. He died at 16 Church Road, Beith on 19th May 1908.

    I have the images, if you would like them just PM me your email.
     
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    Sorry Terry, didn't mean to deflate you :oops: but at least we agree :D
     
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    It's OK Ann, my fault for taking so long. Ya snooze ya lose :D
     
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    I had a premonition that AnnB would find David's death, but I figured it would be from a newspaper account. Great job, Ann, Terry, Sis, EVERYBODY! I can't woot, woot, though, since he did die leaving Maggie with little ones to raise. :oops:

    I wonder what he was doing in Beith? Those Scots turn out to be a mobile lot. Mine wander all over the southern half of the country - even the highlanders.
     
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    I must admit, I thought I might find him in a paper - but there you go :rolleyes: And, I agree, what the hec was he doing in Beith.......
     
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    Hmmm, the informant is father-in-law, John Eccles... o_O (scratches head). I put the address in Google maps and came up zilch. Scanned around and couldn't even find a Church Street in Beith. :headbang:
     
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    Sending PM, Chimp (still smiling BROADLY).

    That was my reaction too, Barb. It's a long way (relatively speaking) from Beith to Maddiston and Blackbraes, and the next question that follows on from that is - was his family with him (and why)? When I put Church Street into Google maps the closest it came up with was Kirk Street but I doubt that was it.

    Edit to add - yes the family WAS there (just read Chimp's post properly) and David's job had gone from gardener at Park Hall (in 1902) to gardener, jobbing, so obviously he HAD moved on from the Big House, but again I wonder why?

    I still can't believe how amazing all you Genealogical Sherlocks are!!

    {-(^^)-}
     
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    Kirk Road is in Beith and with Kirk being the Scottish word for Church, it could well be that one. :)

    Looking at a map of Beith in 1910, Kirk Road leads up to the Parish Church (Kirk)
    Beith.JPG
     
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    Road! Doh! (palm to forehead). I need to quit rushing through at mealtimes and bedtime. Okay. I'm an idiot, but at least we're (collectively) making progress. Teamwork! Yay!
     
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    Playing with the 1905 Valuation Rolls search, but not using credits (hey! I'm over 10% Scottish). In Ayr, there are hits for Church Road, Kirk Road, and surname = Eccles. If I narrow it to Beith, there are 2 matches for Church Road, but not with surname = Eccles or Harvey.
     
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    Does it give any indication of WHERE that Church Road is in Beith Barb? John Eccles was the Registrar of BDM based in Maddiston (Muiravonside), so not a land or property owner in Beith (as far as I'm aware I should say). I'm guessing he was visiting David and Maggie at the time and took on the responsibility of making the official report of David's death. I imagine also that if David's employment was that of jobbing gardener he and Maggie would have been renting or boarding at that address.
     
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    His full job title was:-

    Inspector of poor, collector of rates & registrar of births, deaths & marriages. He was also Clerk to the parish council in 1907
     
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    Looks like Jessie stayed at the school longer than her brothers.

    Full Name - Jessie Harvey
    D-O-Add and Readm'n - 28th August 1913
    D-O-Birth - 28th May 1908
    Parent - Mrs Harvey
    Address - Maddiston
    Last School - None
    D-O-Leaving - 16th August 1918
    Cause of Leaving - Gone to, Blackbraes
     
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    In trying to put some sort of "end" to Andrew's short life (bad use of words I know) I used Google maps and came up with this - it could be the house where Andrew died. Google maps aren't always 100% spot on with location but the whole street (on one side) is filled with "old" houses and this is the one where the little man stands closest to the dot identifying the address.

    104 Kirkintilloch Rd Bishopbriggs.JPG

    It's obviously changed over the years but this very house I'm sure was standing in 1918 so ....... I wonder.

    Also, full marks to Jan with her mention of California school. In the article it mentions his mother as "Teacher, California, Polmont". Just shows that re-reading after "woo hoo"s settle is a good thing!!
     
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    No, not the way I was going about it - just playing with the search form on the 1905 VR's and not using credits - only seeing how many hits. The combination of Eccles or Harvey surname in Beith came up nil. If I broaden to Ayrshire, I get hits for Eccles, but I didn't play the elimination game to come up with just where. All that means is if they were in Beith in 1905 on VR day, they were not the tenant of record.
     
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