Lily Victoria WILSON and William H MANTELL to Australia?

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    So, the Wilson saga continues ... I've been quietly working on the children of Henry Wilson (aka Henry Hammond Lazell) and have done quite well i think

    However, need a bit of help with Lily

    Lily was born in Camberwell 15 Jun 1897, baptised at Nunhead St Anthony on 30 Jun

    She married one William H Mantell in Camberwell Oct-Dec 1917, there is one child I found

    I am getting hits for a what may be several William Henry Mantells in Victoria, Australia, no hits for Lily at all, nor their child. Can anyone look into this and is it likely to be my family?
     
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    Ah, also found a possible death (and birth) for William H, but the icing on the cake is a marriage for the daughter (not many people likely to have that combination of names I feel). :D

    Just a shame that any further children's births are within 100 years so I can't find them :(
     
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    Is this your William H.'s death notice in 1936? I thought I'd post the link as the notice names his children.
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    Thank you Ann, name of wife and first child matches so yes he's mine :)
     
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    Unassisted passenger list Victoria

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    I take it the child would be Ella ?

    Ah yes, I see FMP has the child as Ella V aged 10 months.

    Can't find a record for William

    Birth

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    Victoria Wills & Probate
    Name - Lily Victoria Mantell
    Grant year - 1980
    Death year - 1968
    Occupation - Widow
    Residence - Glenroy, Victoria
    Nature of grant - Probate
    Death date - 29 Jan 1968
    Grant date - 02 Dec 1980
    To whom committed -
    File number - 881/580
     
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    Most death notices for Victoria appear in the Herald Sun. They have more recent notices on-line and they can be found here:

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    https://www.heraldsun.com.au/tributes/
     
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    Australian National Archives has the WW1 record for William Mantell, he says he is born in Marysville Victoria his father is James Mantell of Spring Creek Road Daylesford Vic and he is single. Then some crossing out and Mrs L V Mantell is now entered as next of kin. Her address being 56 Tappensfield Road, Nunhead London. However no record is found of her at that address.
    So it seems that William married Lily when in England and she later joined him back in Australia
    There are a couple of AWL around the time of their marriage.
    There are one or two more records for him William Mantell Service number 735 but acces not open yet.
    Did they have a son as well? There is another record for a ** in WW2 nok Lily Mantell born Brunswick Vic dob 22/4/1927 access not open but also a court martial for him.
     
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    Court Martial 53rd Australian Anti Aircraft Company Royal Australian Engineers 11 May 1943 name and service number listed not entered here. Same service number as for the about ** Mantell.
     
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    Would this be your William Henry?
    ‘FATHER OF SEVEN DIES AFTER DRINKING POISON’
    “With a bottle which had contained poison lying near him, William Mantell aged 40 years of Gold Street Brunswick, was found at his home on Saturday night. He died two hours after admittance to the Royal Melbourne Hospital. He leaves a widow and seven children. The ages of the children range from 1 to 18 years’
    The Argus Monday 25th May 1936 page 4
     
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    The Age Friday 6 Nov 1931
    Mantell....In loving memory of our dear sister Lena who passed away 6th November 1925....inserted by her loving brother Eddie and sister in law Ruby
    Another inserted by her sister Ella and another from her uncle J Walsh MBA Cheltenham
     
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    William Henry Palmer Mantell 13243/1896 father James Alfred mother Matilda Walsh. Marysville Victoria.
     
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    William Alfred James Mantell died aged 2 years in 1922
    Edward Stanley Mantell died aged 28 days 1921
    Both have parents Wilson/Mantell
    I think could be the sister of William Henry snr as she was 18 when she died.
     
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    There are two William Henry Mantells...yours is service number 5049 not 735
     
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    Australian Imperial Force Embarkation Roll 1914-1918

    William Mantell
    Service number - 5049
    Rank - Private
    Birth year - 1897
    Marital status - Single
    Occupation - Labourer
    Religion - Church of England
    Age at Embarkation - 19
    Embarkation date - 19 Jul 1916
    Embarkation regiment/unit - 6Th Infantry Brigade
    Unit information - 23rd Infantry Battalion
    Unit information 2 - 13th Reinforcements
    Departure port - Melbourne, Victoria
    Ship name - Hmat A26, Armadale
    Enlistment date - 01 Feb 1916
    City - Spring Creek-Road
    State - Victoria
    Country - Australia
    Next of kin - James Mantell, Father, Spring Creek-road, Daylesford, VICTORIA
     
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    That's the boy and if you look at his record James as father is crossed out and Mrs L V Mantell is added in red although it looks like Maud V.
    I have no idea where William Henry THOMAS comes from as he is definitely registered as William Henry Palmer Mantell. Parents James Alfred and Matilda Walsh married in 1889
     
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    At first sight I thought it said Maud V too, but I have split it with blue lines and it says Mrs L. V. Mantell
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    Ryerson Index has the death of Ella Victoria Rogers nee Mantell in The Age newspaper 28/5/1992 age 74
     
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