Lipmans of Aldgate

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  1. Adam McGregor

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    Hello,

    The Lipmans were a German-Jewish family, and the name is my mother's maiden name. My grandad's grandad converted to Christianity and married an Englishwoman in 1873. His grandad was Lewis Lipman, born 1800. This is where the trail goes cold, other than some questionable only genealogies. Lewis came from Aldgate.

    Thanks,

    Adam
     
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    Is this him in 1851?
    Phils Buildings Clothes Exchange, St Botolphes, Aldgate
    Lewis Lipman, victualler and clothes shop (possibly?) b 1799 Aldgate
    Mary Lipman Wife 60 1791 Female Aldgate
    Rosa Lipman Daughter 19 1832 Female Aldgate
    Fanny Lipman Daughter 16 1835 Female Aldgate
    Jaell Phillips Grandson 8 1843 Male Aldgate
    Hannah Nelson Servant 16 1835 Female
    Catherine Blumer Servant 30 1821 Female Cork, Ireland
    HO107; Piece: 1524; Folio: 87; Page: 57

    1841, Barnaby? Passage, St Botolphe
    Lewis Lipman 40 1801 Male, Dealer, Middlesex England
    Mary Lipman 41 1800 Female, Middlesex England
    Hanah Lipman 20 1821 Female, Middlesex England
    Moris Lipman 15 1826 Male, Middlesex England
    Julia Lipman 13 1828 Female, Middlesex England
    Rosa Lipman 10 1831 Female, Middlesex England
    John Lipman 6 1835 Male, Middlesex England
    Ann Lipman 20 1821 Female, Middlesex England
    HO107; Piece: 725; Book: 3
     
  3. Adam McGregor

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    Yes, that's him. I know little of Mary too.
     
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    Having looked in Jewish records, the hebrew for Lewis seems to be Yehuda Leib but the alternatives for Mary are many and varied.

    I know you're in the wrong county but searching for records of the Great Synagogue which was in Aldgate, and mostly for people from Germany and Eastern Europe gives
    Description: birth and marriage registers, ketubot and burial
    Date: 1770-1973
    Held by: London Metropolitan Archives: City of London

    There might be more info on a record
     
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    There is this death which might have been mistranscribed with the first name, but otherwise looks like him?
    LIPMAN, LIPMAN age 74
    GRO Reference: 1874 S Quarter in LONDON CITY Volume 01C Page 4 Occasional Copy: A
     
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    Ooh how about this? Same address as in 1851. Freedom of the City of London Admission Papers. Gives his dad's name and place of birth. He is a Coffee House keeper in 1861 in Still Alley, St Botolph, off Phils Buildings
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    Oops, I meant to say his dad's residence not place of birth above
     
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    Thanks for all this information!
     
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    So his father was John Lipman of Glasgow. Just need to look into him.
     
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    I took a peek at Scotland's People and came up blank. Searching both Lipman and Libman. Also the NLS digital collection of Glasgow directories from the 1840's and 50's. There I only say a Moss Lipman, quill dresser.
     
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    Hmm. He must have been born in the British Isles, as Lewis declares he is not an alien nor the son of an alien. However, I won't be able to access baptism records for the family as they are Jewish.
     
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    Moss/ Moses Lipman b London 1809 and who is in Glasgow in 1841 and 1851 (freecen), died in Scotland in 1864. His death certificate is available on Scotland's people and may possibly name his father and mother.

    A possible older brother Henry Lipman was also in Glasgow in 1841
     
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    Thanks for that.
     
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    have looked at my record books for The Great Synagogue, Hambro and New Synagogue but cannot find anything at all, but he may have been recorded in a lesser known synagogue,
    there are a number of trees on Ancestry but although they have some dates (not all the same!!) apart from census they have no sources, but it might be worth contacting some as they may have the records
     
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    A bit of colour -although I can only see a snippet as I don't have a sub, on 18-20th Feb 1848, Lewis Lipman of Field Place, Houndsditch (Houndsditch is in the address in the freedom of the city, it's an area of St Botolph's). He's a beer shop and coffee house keeper, was fined for selling spirits. There may be more...
     
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    Joseph Lipman son of Lewis of Phils Buildings married Julia Lipman dau of Levy Lipman in the Novo Synogogue 1849
    John Lipman son of Lewis married Rose dau of Michael Lipman 1857 in the same place
    So this generation at least used the Novo
     
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    Fathers name was Jonah or Josiah ? and mothers name was Sarah Philips, Wife's name Rachel Jacobs
     
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    sorry but I was looking for Lewis Lipman
     
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    Is this the family?
    ...cemeteryscribes.com
    John/Jacob Lipman b1835 Middlesex
    Father Lewis Lipman 1801, mother Mary 1800.
    Husband of Rose. Married 1857 New Synagogue
    Children:
    Mark 1859 Middlesex
    Catherine 1863 ditto
    Lewis 1864 ditto
    Mary 1865 ditto
    Esther 1867 ditto
    Barnett 1868 ditto
    Morris 1870 ditto
    Leah (b Jacob) 1875 died age 22 born Middlesex....
     
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