Look ups and help available Glamorgan.

Hi all I am willing, time permitting to do look ups in any resources I have.

 

I'd be grateful just to know why connections in my Family ended up in Glamorgan & stayed to their end. Was it a particularly beautiful spot or helpful health wise?

 

Hi Wendy,
Im sure you know that Glamorgan is a relatively large area (to use in South Wales that is)
When investigating family..
Do you have a specific area where your family settled..
Glamorgan had/has a huge wealth of diverse usage agriculture, industry etc and today leisure and health.
Please follow up and if I can help I will.
Talk soon. A few links below.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/
wikipedia.org/wiki/Glamorgan
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/map.aspx?compid=55186
rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsglfhs/

(Clicky links edited of those websites that ask for donations or that are commercial. Please see here. )

 

Well, there you are. Thank you Robert, I have followed one chappie through two marriages, Neath, & his passing, Bridgend, now during a marathon quest to sort out children of a 2nd Cousin x 1 removed I find myself making a separate Family file in Legacy to try to sort out people of similar names & birth dates. Several removed to Glamorgan, one to Ogmore? another in Bridgend,( I wonder if they knew each other?) & I cannot post on the names as there are several online trees half finished & I don't want to tread on toes of those with closer ties. Some don't seem to be what I have found with church records.
Very cryptic puzzle at the moment.
Thank you for those links, they may prove very useful. I've only been two days on this yet so still far to go.
Can't think what possessed me, I'm supposed to be sorting certificates & census images for the greater good of the file I've got going.

Oh yes, what possessed me was finding the marriage of perhaps a close relative to ...you guessed it..a close relative.

 

I believe I've found the answer to my query in that the Lass I was looking at married her 1st Cousin x 2 removed. Her Father home from the war in 1917 went to Glamorgan & his death from wounds was reg'd in 1918 at Bridgend. Was there a Military hospital or R&R Hospital there?

A word to be wary: My computer refused to let me into various sites due to virus threats:
Grave Matters
Name extracts from various sources
Family History Society . & for the mailing list my watchdog said it was clearing virus threats.
maybe just mine, but it seems to do a jolly good job.

 

If you have the time & records are available I would like to know what became of Dorothy Mary Lawrence formerly Vines nee Ruck. She married Charles John Lawrence at the Bridgend Reg. Office 22 Feb 1921 at age 26 [born 7 June 1893 Lincoln District, Lincolnshire]. They had 3 sons, Harry James Charles Lawrence b, 1921 at 20 West Road Bridgend - died 1979 Hitchin Dist. Hertfordshire ; William Wilfred Lawrence b. 1 Dec 1922, 74 Newcastle Hill, Bridgend - died 1984 Bristol; Cecil John Lawrence b and died 1927 in Bridgend District. All 3 sons baptized at St. Illtudes Church Newcastle Hill, Bridgend.
In 1929, Charles John had moved to Dorset & 'taken up with' a married woman with 7 children. The story is that her husband had deserted her, so she had 3 more children with Charles John Lawrence while waiting 7 years to declare her EX as dead so she was free to marry. The children were born 1929, 1931 & 1933. They married in 1941 at the Registry Office in Poole, Dorset.
But, what happened to the wife left back in Wales between 1927 & 1929? I can't find her marrying, dying or immigrating. Do not know if they divorced or the husband just left. Are divorce records available for this time period? Any ideas on how we can find out what happened?
Thanks
Elaine

 

Hi Robert,
Don't know what resources you have but I would be very grateful if you can solve a riddle for me if my Gt Grandparents actually married TWICE (to each other). I wonder if at the first marriage when he married Ann Hughes under his taken surname of DAY he had not had the surname changed officially and in time he became concerned the marriage was not official.
If he later changed his name "officially" this would account for the second marriage making things legal.
Info on first marriage 2 Nov 1867 Cardiff Reg Office
Info on 2nd marriage NEWPORT MON. 1903 Dec 11a 457
without seeing the actual certificates to see details I can not find out if this is the case (I live most of the time in Greece).
Names....WILLIAM HENRY DAY (born FLICKER)
.............ANNE HUGHES
kind regards
Haydn E Ebbs

 

Hi not much help at all I'm afraid,to confirm or refute your thoughts you really will have to purchase the certificates.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1867

DAY William Cardiff 11a 406
Hughes Ann Cardiff 11a 406


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1903

Day William Henry Newport, M. 11a 457
Hughes Annie Elizabeth Newport, M. 11a 457

I did worry about
1867 being (WILLIAM and ANN)
1903 being (WILLIAM HENRY and ANNIE ELIZABETH)

However:
Tracing backwards and forwards !
1871 census.


1871 Wales Census
Name: William Day
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Day
Gender: Male
Where born: Stock, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Cadoxton
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration District: Cardiff
Sub-registration District: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household Schedule Number: 43
Piece: 5373
Folio: 19
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
William Day
24
Ann Day
27
William Day
2
Eli Day
8 Months
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5373; Folio: 19; Page: 7

1881 Wales Census
Name: William Day
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Day
Gender: Male
Where born: Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Cadoxton
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: Oddfellows Row
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Shoemaker
Registration District: Cardiff
Sub-registration District: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 5292
Folio: 97
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
William Day
34
Ann Day
37
William Day
12
Eli Day
10
Ivor Day
1
Sophia Hughes
26
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 5292; Folio: 97; Page: 7

1891 Wales Census
Name: Wm Day
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Day
Gender: Male
Where born: Wincanton, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Cadoxton Juxta Barry
Ecclesiastical parish: Cadoxton
Town: Cadoxton
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration District: Cardiff
Sub-registration District: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Piece: 4406
Folio: 10
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm Day
44
Ann Day
47
Wm Day
22
Eli Day
20
Ivor Day
11
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4406; Folio: 10; Page: 13

1901 Wales Census
Name: Wm Day
Age in 1901: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Day
Gender: Male
Where born: Wells, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Barry
Ecclesiastical parish: Barry and Cadoxton
Town: Barry
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration District: Cardiff
Sub-registration District: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household Schedule Number: 215
Piece: 4993
Folio: 48
Page Number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm Day
55
Ann Day
57
Ivor Day
21
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4993; Folio: 48; Page: 40.

1911 Wales Census
Name: William Henry Day
Age in 1911: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Barry
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 106 Barry Road Cadoxton Barry
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 7
Estimated Marriage Year: 1904
Occupation: Boot Maker
Registration District: Cardiff
Registration District Number: 588
Sub-registration District: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 06
Household Schedule Number: 181
Piece: 32183
Household Members:
Name Age
William Henry Day
64
Ann Day
64
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 32183; Schedule Number: 181.

POSSIBLE 1861
1861 Wales Census
Name: William Day
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Somerset, England
Civil Parish or Township: Penmark
Ecclesiastical parish: Llandaff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration District: Cardiff
Sub-registration District: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household Schedule Number: 100
Piece: 4041
Folio: 107
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
John James
45
Margret David
53
William Day
14
Catherine Edwards
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 4041; Folio: 107; Page: 29

(GSU Numbers removed as they are copyright.)

 

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Jun 1931
Workman Leslie L Lawrence Cardiff 11a 708
Births Dec 1932
Workman Janice A Lawrence Cardiff 11a 450
Births Mar 1934
Workman Esme L Lawrence Cardiff 11a 666
First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1930
Laurence Dorothy M Workman Cardiff 11a 749

Workman Leslie B Lawrence Cardiff 11a 749

Looks like it was transcribed right and wrong ?

Children followed !?

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Jun 1931
Workman Leslie L Lawrence Cardiff 11a 708
Births Dec 1932
Workman Janice A Lawrence Cardiff 11a 450
Births Mar 1934
Workman Esme L Lawrence Cardiff 11a 666

 

Many thanks Robert for the information, I did not know if you had access to copy certificates....your right I'll just have to get them both......

regards

Haydn

 

That looks a good start to me. Thank you very much. I will order the cert to see if Dorothy was ever Ruck & had a father Albert James Ruck. Odd that her 'maiden name' was consistently Lawrence on the Workman births. Seems it should have been Ruck.
Thanks again - it gives me a line to pursue.
Elaine

 

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1921
Lawrence Charles J Vines Bridgend 11a 1818
Vines Dorothy M Lawrence Bridgend 11a 1818

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1916
Ruck Dorothy M Vines Dudley 6b 1669
Vines Colin S Ruck Dudley 6b 1669

 

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1921
Lawrence Charles J Vines Bridgend 11a 1818
Vines Dorothy M Lawrence Bridgend 11a 1818

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1916
Ruck Dorothy M Vines Dudley 6b 1669
Vines Colin S Ruck Dudley 6b 1669

 

1901 England Census
Name: Dorothy Mary Ruck
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Albert James Ruck
Mother's Name: Mary Ruck
Gender: Female
Where born: Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Shrewsbury
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Registration District: Atcham
Sub-registration District: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household Schedule Number: 48
Piece: 2536
Folio: 99
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert James Ruck
35
Mary Ruck
32
Edward Chanedloy Ruck
10
Dorothy Mary Ruck
7
Albert Frederick Ruck
5
Olive Mabel Ruck
3
Margaret Vern Ruck
1
Margaret Lewis
30
Edith Thomas
19
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2536; Folio: 99; Page: 7.

1911 England Census
Name: Dorothy Mary Ruck
Age in 1911: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: St Peter
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 27 High Town, Hereford
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Drapers Assistant
Registration District: Hereford
Registration District Number: 337
Sub-registration District: Hereford City
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household Schedule Number: 481
Piece: 15712
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret Elizabeth Gough
39
Dorothy Mary Ruck
17
Ethel Merrick
20
Beatrice Jenkins
21
Ethel Armstrong
20
Florence Rose Longridge
16
Emily Amy Leonard
34
Emily Benttey
19
Rose Beatrice Probert
18
Eleanor Dorace Barrell
16
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 15712; Schedule Number: 481.

 

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Dorothy Mary Ruck
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1893
Registration District: Lincoln
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 558

 

Thanks all. Yes, I have her birth & baptism & Dorothy Mary's marriage to both Colin Sydney Vines & Charles John Lawrence, also 1901 & 1911 census entries. The mystery is - what happened to her after her 2nd husband left her & eventually married someone else. I have ordered the cert. Dispatch date 8 Nov, then transit time to USA. We shall see . . .
If it is correct, Leslie Bryant Workman died 1963 & left a will [probate index on ancestry] & Dorothy may have died 1987, however that entry shows her born 1904 instead of 1893. Not a deal breaker, I have other women who get younger each time they marry [LOL] - so I'm still optimistic.
Elaine

 

Marriage Cert. has arrived & it isn't the correct person.
The bride on the above GRO ref. was as follows:
Dorothy May Laurence - Age 25 -Spinster-Abode: 50 James Rd - Father: James Laurence [deceased] Occ: Insurance Agent.
Nothing to suggest she was Dorothy Mary Ruck, formerly Vines and born in 1893. Back to the drawing board!
Thanks for trying.
Elaine