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  1. ROBERTALUNCHICK

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    Hi all I am willing, time permitting to do look ups in any resources I have.
     
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    Very generous offer Robertalunchick. Many thanks for making it.
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    I'd be grateful just to know why connections in my Family ended up in Glamorgan & stayed to their end. Was it a particularly beautiful spot or helpful health wise?
     
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    Hi Wendy,
    Im sure you know that Glamorgan is a relatively large area (to use in South Wales that is)
    When investigating family..
    Do you have a specific area where your family settled..
    Glamorgan had/has a huge wealth of diverse usage agriculture, industry etc and today leisure and health.
    Please follow up and if I can help I will.
    Talk soon. A few links below.
    http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/
    wikipedia.org/wiki/Glamorgan
    http://www.british-history.ac.uk/map.aspx?compid=55186
    rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsglfhs/

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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Well, there you are. Thank you Robert, I have followed one chappie through two marriages, Neath, & his passing, Bridgend, now during a marathon quest to sort out children of a 2nd Cousin x 1 removed I find myself making a separate Family file in Legacy to try to sort out people of similar names & birth dates. Several removed to Glamorgan, one to Ogmore? another in Bridgend,( I wonder if they knew each other?) & I cannot post on the names as there are several online trees half finished & I don't want to tread on toes of those with closer ties. Some don't seem to be what I have found with church records.
    Very cryptic puzzle at the moment.
    Thank you for those links, they may prove very useful. I've only been two days on this yet so still far to go.
    o_O Can't think what possessed me, I'm supposed to be sorting certificates & census images for the greater good of the file I've got going.

    Oh yes, what possessed me was finding the marriage of perhaps a close relative to ...you guessed it..a close relative.:oops:
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    I believe I've found the answer to my query in that the Lass I was looking at married her 1st Cousin x 2 removed. Her Father home from the war in 1917 went to Glamorgan & his death from wounds was reg'd in 1918 at Bridgend. Was there a Military hospital or R&R Hospital there?

    A word to be wary: My computer refused to let me into various sites due to virus threats:
    Grave Matters
    Name extracts from various sources
    Family History Society . & for the mailing list my watchdog said it was clearing virus threats.
    maybe just mine, but it seems to do a jolly good job.
     
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    If you have the time & records are available I would like to know what became of Dorothy Mary Lawrence formerly Vines nee Ruck. She married Charles John Lawrence at the Bridgend Reg. Office 22 Feb 1921 at age 26 [born 7 June 1893 Lincoln District, Lincolnshire]. They had 3 sons, Harry James Charles Lawrence b, 1921 at 20 West Road Bridgend - died 1979 Hitchin Dist. Hertfordshire ; William Wilfred Lawrence b. 1 Dec 1922, 74 Newcastle Hill, Bridgend - died 1984 Bristol; Cecil John Lawrence b and died 1927 in Bridgend District. All 3 sons baptized at St. Illtudes Church Newcastle Hill, Bridgend.
    In 1929, Charles John had moved to Dorset & 'taken up with' a married woman with 7 children. The story is that her husband had deserted her, so she had 3 more children with Charles John Lawrence while waiting 7 years to declare her EX as dead so she was free to marry. The children were born 1929, 1931 & 1933. They married in 1941 at the Registry Office in Poole, Dorset.
    But, what happened to the wife left back in Wales between 1927 & 1929? I can't find her marrying, dying or immigrating. Do not know if they divorced or the husband just left. Are divorce records available for this time period? Any ideas on how we can find out what happened?
    Thanks
    Elaine
     
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    Hi Robert,
    Don't know what resources you have but I would be very grateful if you can solve a riddle for me if my Gt Grandparents actually married TWICE (to each other). I wonder if at the first marriage when he married Ann Hughes under his taken surname of DAY he had not had the surname changed officially and in time he became concerned the marriage was not official.
    If he later changed his name "officially" this would account for the second marriage making things legal.
    Info on first marriage 2 Nov 1867 Cardiff Reg Office
    Info on 2nd marriage NEWPORT MON. 1903 Dec 11a 457
    without seeing the actual certificates to see details I can not find out if this is the case (I live most of the time in Greece).
    Names....WILLIAM HENRY DAY (born FLICKER)
    .............ANNE HUGHES
    kind regards
    Haydn E Ebbs
     
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    Hi not much help at all I'm afraid,to confirm or refute your thoughts you really will have to purchase the certificates.

    Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
    Marriages Dec 1867

    DAY William Cardiff 11a 406
    Hughes Ann Cardiff 11a 406


    Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
    Marriages Dec 1903

    Day William Henry Newport, M. 11a 457
    Hughes Annie Elizabeth Newport, M. 11a 457

    I did worry about
    1867 being (WILLIAM and ANN)
    1903 being (WILLIAM HENRY and ANNIE ELIZABETH)

    However:
    Tracing backwards and forwards !
    1871 census.


    1871 Wales Census
    Name: William Day
    Age: 24
    Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
    Relation: Head
    Spouse's Name: Ann Day
    Gender: Male
    Where born: Stock, Somerset, England
    Civil Parish: Cadoxton
    County/Island: Glamorgan
    Country: Wales
    Registration District: Cardiff
    Sub-registration District: St Nicholas
    ED, institution, or vessel: 8
    Household Schedule Number: 43
    Piece: 5373
    Folio: 19
    Page Number: 7
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    William Day
    24
    Ann Day
    27
    William Day
    2
    Eli Day
    8 Months
    Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5373; Folio: 19; Page: 7

    1881 Wales Census
    Name: William Day
    Age: 34
    Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
    Relation: Head
    Spouse's Name: Ann Day
    Gender: Male
    Where born: Somerset, England
    Civil Parish: Cadoxton
    County/Island: Glamorgan
    Country: Wales
    Street Address: Oddfellows Row
    Condition as to marriage: Married
    Occupation: Shoemaker
    Registration District: Cardiff
    Sub-registration District: St Nicholas
    ED, institution, or vessel: 8
    Piece: 5292
    Folio: 97
    Page Number: 7
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    William Day
    34
    Ann Day
    37
    William Day
    12
    Eli Day
    10
    Ivor Day
    1
    Sophia Hughes
    26
    Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 5292; Folio: 97; Page: 7

    1891 Wales Census
    Name: Wm Day
    Age: 44
    Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
    Relation: Head
    Spouse's Name: Ann Day
    Gender: Male
    Where born: Wincanton, Somerset, England
    Civil Parish: Cadoxton Juxta Barry
    Ecclesiastical parish: Cadoxton
    Town: Cadoxton
    County/Island: Glamorgan
    Country: Wales
    Registration District: Cardiff
    Sub-registration District: St Nicholas
    ED, institution, or vessel: 11
    Piece: 4406
    Folio: 10
    Page Number: 13
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    Wm Day
    44
    Ann Day
    47
    Wm Day
    22
    Eli Day
    20
    Ivor Day
    11
    Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4406; Folio: 10; Page: 13

    1901 Wales Census
    Name: Wm Day
    Age in 1901: 55
    Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
    Relation: Head
    Spouse's Name: Ann Day
    Gender: Male
    Where born: Wells, Somerset, England
    Civil Parish: Barry
    Ecclesiastical parish: Barry and Cadoxton
    Town: Barry
    County/Island: Glamorgan
    Country: Wales
    Registration District: Cardiff
    Sub-registration District: St Nicholas
    ED, institution, or vessel: 8
    Household Schedule Number: 215
    Piece: 4993
    Folio: 48
    Page Number: 40
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    Wm Day
    55
    Ann Day
    57
    Ivor Day
    21
    Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4993; Folio: 48; Page: 40.

    1911 Wales Census
    Name: William Henry Day
    Age in 1911: 64
    Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
    Relation to Head: Head
    Gender: Male
    Birth Place: Somerset, England
    Civil Parish: Barry
    County/Island: Glamorgan
    Country: Wales
    Street Address: 106 Barry Road Cadoxton Barry
    Marital Status: Married
    Years Married: 7
    Estimated Marriage Year: 1904
    Occupation: Boot Maker
    Registration District: Cardiff
    Registration District Number: 588
    Sub-registration District: St Nicholas
    ED, institution, or vessel: 06
    Household Schedule Number: 181
    Piece: 32183
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    William Henry Day
    64
    Ann Day
    64
    Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 32183; Schedule Number: 181.

    POSSIBLE 1861
    1861 Wales Census
    Name: William Day
    Age: 14
    Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
    Relation: Servant
    Gender: Male
    Where born: Somerset, England
    Civil Parish or Township: Penmark
    Ecclesiastical parish: Llandaff
    County/Island: Glamorgan
    Country: Wales
    Registration District: Cardiff
    Sub-registration District: St Nicholas
    ED, institution, or vessel: 8
    Household Schedule Number: 100
    Piece: 4041
    Folio: 107
    Page Number: 29
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    John James
    45
    Margret David
    53
    William Day
    14
    Catherine Edwards
    Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 4041; Folio: 107; Page: 29

    (GSU Numbers removed as they are copyright.)
     
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    Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
    Births Jun 1931
    Workman Leslie L Lawrence Cardiff 11a 708
    Births Dec 1932
    Workman Janice A Lawrence Cardiff 11a 450
    Births Mar 1934
    Workman Esme L Lawrence Cardiff 11a 666
    First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
    Marriages Jun 1930
    Laurence Dorothy M Workman Cardiff 11a 749

    Workman Leslie B Lawrence Cardiff 11a 749

    Looks like it was transcribed right and wrong ?

    Children followed !?

    Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
    Births Jun 1931
    Workman Leslie L Lawrence Cardiff 11a 708
    Births Dec 1932
    Workman Janice A Lawrence Cardiff 11a 450
    Births Mar 1934
    Workman Esme L Lawrence Cardiff 11a 666
     
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    Many thanks Robert for the information, I did not know if you had access to copy certificates....your right I'll just have to get them both......

    regards

    Haydn
     
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    That looks a good start to me. Thank you very much. I will order the cert to see if Dorothy was ever Ruck & had a father Albert James Ruck. Odd that her 'maiden name' was consistently Lawrence on the Workman births. Seems it should have been Ruck.
    Thanks again - it gives me a line to pursue.
    Elaine
     
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    Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
    Marriages Mar 1921
    Lawrence Charles J Vines Bridgend 11a 1818
    Vines Dorothy M Lawrence Bridgend 11a 1818

    Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
    Marriages Jun 1916
    Ruck Dorothy M Vines Dudley 6b 1669
    Vines Colin S Ruck Dudley 6b 1669
     
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    Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
    Marriages Mar 1921
    Lawrence Charles J Vines Bridgend 11a 1818
    Vines Dorothy M Lawrence Bridgend 11a 1818

    Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
    Marriages Jun 1916
    Ruck Dorothy M Vines Dudley 6b 1669
    Vines Colin S Ruck Dudley 6b 1669
     
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    1901 England Census
    Name: Dorothy Mary Ruck
    Age: 7
    Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
    Relation: Daughter
    Father's Name: Albert James Ruck
    Mother's Name: Mary Ruck
    Gender: Female
    Where born: Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England
    Civil Parish: St Mary
    Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
    Town: Shrewsbury
    County/Island: Shropshire
    Country: England
    Registration District: Atcham
    Sub-registration District: St Mary
    ED, institution, or vessel: 5
    Household Schedule Number: 48
    Piece: 2536
    Folio: 99
    Page Number: 7
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    Albert James Ruck
    35
    Mary Ruck
    32
    Edward Chanedloy Ruck
    10
    Dorothy Mary Ruck
    7
    Albert Frederick Ruck
    5
    Olive Mabel Ruck
    3
    Margaret Vern Ruck
    1
    Margaret Lewis
    30
    Edith Thomas
    19
    Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2536; Folio: 99; Page: 7.

    1911 England Census
    Name: Dorothy Mary Ruck
    Age in 1911: 17
    Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
    Relation to Head: Boarder
    Gender: Female
    Birth Place: Lincolnshire, England
    Civil Parish: St Peter
    County/Island: Herefordshire
    Country: England
    Street Address: 27 High Town, Hereford
    Marital Status: Single
    Occupation: Drapers Assistant
    Registration District: Hereford
    Registration District Number: 337
    Sub-registration District: Hereford City
    ED, institution, or vessel: 13
    Household Schedule Number: 481
    Piece: 15712
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    Margaret Elizabeth Gough
    39
    Dorothy Mary Ruck
    17
    Ethel Merrick
    20
    Beatrice Jenkins
    21
    Ethel Armstrong
    20
    Florence Rose Longridge
    16
    Emily Amy Leonard
    34
    Emily Benttey
    19
    Rose Beatrice Probert
    18
    Eleanor Dorace Barrell
    16
    Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 15712; Schedule Number: 481.
     
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    England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
    Name: Dorothy Mary Ruck
    Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1893
    Registration District: Lincoln
    Inferred County: Lincolnshire
    Volume: 7a
    Page: 558
     
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    Dorothy Mary Ruck
    Christening Date 24 Jun 1893, Lincoln, Lincolnshire
    Birth Date 07 Jun 1893
    Father: Albert James Ruck, Mother: Mary
    Indexing Project (Batch) Number C02152-9, GS Film number 1542062

    Groom: Colin Sydney Vines, Age 21, Single
    Bride: Dorothy Mary Ruck, age 22, Single
    Marriage Date: 29 Jun 1916, Dudley, Worcestershire
    G/Father: George Vines
    B/Father: Albert James Ruck
    Indexing Project (Batch) Number M01073-1, GS Film number 378790
     
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    Thanks all. Yes, I have her birth & baptism & Dorothy Mary's marriage to both Colin Sydney Vines & Charles John Lawrence, also 1901 & 1911 census entries. The mystery is - what happened to her after her 2nd husband left her & eventually married someone else. I have ordered the cert. Dispatch date 8 Nov, then transit time to USA. We shall see . . .
    If it is correct, Leslie Bryant Workman died 1963 & left a will [probate index on ancestry] & Dorothy may have died 1987, however that entry shows her born 1904 instead of 1893. Not a deal breaker, I have other women who get younger each time they marry [LOL] - so I'm still optimistic.
    Elaine
     
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    Marriage Cert. has arrived & it isn't the correct person.
    The bride on the above GRO ref. was as follows:
    Dorothy May Laurence - Age 25 -Spinster-Abode: 50 James Rd - Father: James Laurence [deceased] Occ: Insurance Agent.
    Nothing to suggest she was Dorothy Mary Ruck, formerly Vines and born in 1893. Back to the drawing board!
    Thanks for trying.
    Elaine
     

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