Looking for Mary Ann Brown.

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  1. Chimp

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    Probably little hope of finding her, but here goes.

    Mary Ann Brown was born in Knighton, Radnorshire in 1865, she was the daughter of John and Mary Brown. Her mother's maiden name was Lewis.

    Mary Ann was baptised in Knighton on 11 Mar 1866.

    By the census 1871 Mary Brown, Mary Ann's mother had absconded to America. Mary Lewis had been forced into the marriage with John Brown in 1863 so that her father could get out of a contract on the farm at Lanshay, Knighton. Mary was only 16 whereas her husband was 39.

    1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Lanshay Farm, Knighton Farrington, Knighton, Radnorshire, Wales
    RG10, Piece: 5596, Folio: 57, Page: 11

    John Brown, Head, Married, 47, Farmer, Clun, Shropshire
    Mary Ann Owens, Sister, Widow, 55, Clun, Shropshire
    Mary Ann Brown, Daughter, 6, Lanshay, Knighton, Radnorshire
    Francis Brown, Son, 4, Lanshay, Knighton, Radnorshire
    Thomas R Brown, Son, 3, Lanshay, Knighton, Radnorshire
    Richard J Brown, Son, 1, Lanshay, Knighton, Radnorshire
    + several servants.

    Besides owning the farm at Lanshay John Brown owned several other farms, cottages and field for miles around.

    By 1881 Mary Ann had been sent to a boarding school in Gloucestershire

    Ladies School, 11, Cambray, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England
    RG11, Piece number: 2576, Folio: 97, Page: 6

    Mary Ann Brown, Boarder, Single, 16, 1865, Scholar, born: Knighton, Radnorshire, Wales

    John Brown made a will on 23rd April 1880 and leaves money and land to all his children including Mary Ann (he specifies that the money is hers only, even if she should marry)
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    John died on 10th July 1886.

    I can find nothing on Mary Ann Brown after the 1881 census.
     
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    Is this her Chimpy?

    1896 Jan quarter 11b , 154 Radnorshire marrying either William Bufton or James Whittal.
     
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    Cambray is one of the houses of Cheltenham Ladies College - are there any records for the school - or could you ask them?
     
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    I have no idea, there is also another marriage in 1899

    MARY ANN
    Last name BROWN
    Marriage quarter 3
    Marriage year 1899

    MARY ANN BROWN married one of these people

    John Lloyd, John Davies

    This has been a bugbear for quite some time. Besides buying all the corresponding marriage certs I'm not sure what else to do.

    I haven't seen any records for the school. I have just found a link to the Archivist at the school who will do a search. If they find nothing it costs nothing. If they have info it costs £10. Not sure they keep a record of what became of the girls in their charge after they finished their schooling though.
     
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    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    Call for @AnnB ;) There just has to be something in the papers if she married.

    She may also have been sent abroad to widen her Education.
     
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    I've been searching for the past hour.....:sceptical: Why does that Chimp always come up with such silly names :D

    I have found a couple of mentions of John Brown's death, but nothing more that how much everyone was going to miss his generosity to the poor...
     
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    :angel: just trying to keep you all on your toes :D
     
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    Could she have followed her mother to America?
     
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    There's no mention of her being with her mother. Her mother ran off with a chap from a family also living in Knighton at the time. A lady left £1,000 in a will for the interloper. He was on his way back to England to claim his inheritance when he died. The family no nothing of what became of Mary Ann.

    I have been in contact with Mary's great granddaughter in America for quite some time. She even came over a couple of years ago and I was able to show her family graves. We even went for a lovely meal in the Pub that John Brown also owned.
     
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    1901 has James Whittal 1866 and Mary Ann 1865. Mary Ann born Presteigne, Radnorshire.
     
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    The trouble is that there was a Mary Ann Brown born in Presteigne in 1865.

    Births Jun 1865

    Brown Mary Ann Presteigne 11b 182
    Brown Mary Ann Knighton 11b 186 (this is the one I'm after)

    So looks like we can count the 1896 marriage out.
     
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    Did one/all of her brother inherit the farms etc? If so is there any mention of Mary Ann or any of her children in their wills?

    oops no idea why I have a line through the text:nailbiting:
     
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    This is all that is said about Mary Ann in the will. She wasn't married at the time the will was written in 1880.
     
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    oooh I see what you are getting at now. I'll see if I can find when her brothers died.
     
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    Thought that she would be the incorrect Mary Ann. Just discounting.
     
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    Francis took over Bowdler farm, one of those mentioned in John's will.
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    I have ordered Francis's administration papers. Sadly they are due to be delivered 2 days after I go away on a fortnights holiday.
     
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    Typical!
    Send us all a Postcard:D
     
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    The only information I can find on Thomas and Richard, Mary Ann's other 2 brothers is.

    1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
    Broad Street, Presteigne, Knighton, Radnorshire, Wales

    Boarding School

    Richard Brown, Boarder, Single, 8, Scholar, Lanshay, Knighton, Radnorshire
    (actual name Richard Jones Brown)

    and

    1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
    Bridge Street, Knighton, Radnorshire, Wales

    In the household of Charles Knill
    Thomas R Brown, Visitor, Single, 23, Bankers Clerk, Knighton, Radnorshire
    (actual name Thomas Richard Brown)

    1911 Census For England & Wales
    1 Powell's Lane, Clun, Shropshire, England
    Thomas Richard Brown, Head, Single, 47, No Occupation, Knighton, Radnorshire
    Sarah Catherine Robertham, Housekeeper, Single, 56, Housekeeper, Lichfield, Staffordshire

    On this census it says he has no occupation, but the enumerator has put the code 492 next to his profession. 492 equates to Brokers, Agents, Factors
     
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    I have been doing the same - in 1901 Thomas is in Warwickshire a farmer
    RG13/2950/41/8

    Richard married and had 2 children
    1901 - the Hall, Newcastle, Clun - farmer
    1911 -still a farmer - he claims married no sign of his wife and daughter Violet Gladys is with him address The Grange Maidford Towcester RG 14 PN8328 SN63B
    He has a paying guest by the name of Zoe Gilbert, ah ha could this be Mary Ann's child - no such luck, GRO gives mmn as Gibson:headbang:
     
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