Looking for Thomas H WILLSON

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  1. Kristie

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    I have a 3rd great grandfather that is born in Birmingham and died somewhere in Warwickshire. His father is supposedly William Willson. I am trying to confirm his fathers name and also find out what his mothers name was. I have no info on her. My 3rd great grandfathers name was Thomas H. Willson born in 1813 and died October 26, 1881. His wife's name was Mary Ann Smith. Thank you.
     
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    Hi Kristie - welcome to Top Dog :)

    I have moved your post to a thread of its own so that any answers do not become confused with those of the other one.

    You have Thomas' date of death (October 26th 1881) but where did you find this, please? Do I take it that you do not have the death certificate?

    Edited to add: I have found the registration of Thomas' death:

    Thomas WILLSON, Aston registration district, December quarter 1881, aged 68, volume 6d, page 226. If you need help in ordering a copy of the death certificate, which will tell you where he died, just yell. ;)
     
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    Thank you :)

    Thomas is buried at the Key Hill Cemetery in Birmingham and I requested to have a picture of his plot taken and it states on his plot his death date. I have that information, I just need to verify his fathers name and find out his mothers name.
     
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    When/where did Thomas and Mary Ann marry? If it was after civil registration started in 1837, then his father's name should be on the wedding certificate. Failing that, by following him back through the censuses, it should state where he was born so that the parish registers could then be checked for his baptism. That would then name his parents.
     
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    According to the
    Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930

    Name: Thomas Willson
    Birth Year: abt 1826
    Age: 22
    Marriage Date: 17 Sep 1848
    Parish: Heaton Chapel, St Thomas
    Parish as it Appears: Heaton Norris
    Father's Name: William Willson
    Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Smith
    Spouse's Father's Name: Henry Smith
    Reference Number: GB127.C24/1/2/1

    Link to Ancestry removed as it is not permitted. Jan
     
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    Huncamunca The Knowledgeable One

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    Hello Kristie and welcome to Top Dog

    Do you have the marriage certificate for Thomas and Mary Ann? If not, then I would recommend obtaining a copy, for he should give his father's name and occupation. The names of witnesses may also provide clues as to his origins.

    If you have found the family on census returns, please could you give the census references? This will help us build a better picture of the family, which should improve the chances that we will be able to find out more about your Thomas H. Willson's parents.

    Edit: sorry, missed your latest posts, Jan and Kristie.
     
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    I have attached what I have found on ancestry.com. William Willson's name has been confirmed but now I need to find out what his mothers name was. As for the wedding Cert it is hard to read.
     

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    His father was a joiner, her father a weaver.
     
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    Huncamunca The Knowledgeable One

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    I'm afraid this does not look like your Thomas, Kristie: to start with his name is shown as Wilkison which has then been altered to Wilkinson. Secondly he is much younger than yours: if he was only 22 when he married in 1848 then this Thomas was born about 1826.
     
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    But how can that be? When I click on it this is what it stats:

    Name: Thomas Willson
    Birth Year: abt 1826
    Age: 22
    Marriage Date: 17 Sep 1848
    Parish: Heaton Chapel, St Thomas
    Parish as it Appears: Heaton Norris
    Father's Name: William Willson
    Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Smith
    Spouse's Father's Name: Henry Smith
    Reference Number: GB127.C24/1/2/1
     
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    Unfortunately it has been transcribed incorrectly. The original handwriting does not say Willson, in my opinion at least. As I said, I think it says Wilkison and that an 'n' has been inserted where Thomas's name is written and in the place next to where he made his mark.
     
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    I think we need to go back to basics.

    Do you have children's names and Birth years?
     
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    Huncamunca The Knowledgeable One

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    Kristie, I'm afraid some of the trees on Ancestry are completely wrong. To be sure you are following the right line, it would be best to start from scratch, as Ken_R has said. Forget the Ancestry trees! Start with what you definitely know for sure about your Thomas.
     
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    Ugh!

    Yes, I do.

    One is being my 2nd great grandfather Edward Haseler Willson born Dec 18, 1843 in Birmingham and died Jul 26, 1891 in West Bromwich. Maria Ann Willson Morse born Oct 1838 in Birmingham and died 22 Jun 1912 in Staffordshire.
     
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    Huncamunca The Knowledgeable One

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    Heaton Norris marriage 1848.JPG

    Enlargement of the name as written in the original parish register.
     
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    This is very frustrating.
     
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    For the benefit of all. A bit of background Geography for anyone searching for records pertaining to the Birmingham area.

    Birmingham lies on the boundary of 3 different Counties. Generally, Warwickshire to the East and South. Staffordshire to the North. Worcestershire to the West and South-west. And even those boundaries moved over the decades.

    It is further complicated by what is now a large part of Birmingham was a separate area called Aston and, was actually larger than Birmingham.

    It was not until the 1880's that Birmingham became the predominant Authority and Aston, along with other Municipal areas, became what is now Birmingham.

    Key Hill Cemetery would have been in the part of Birmingham that fell within Warwickshire.
     
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    Huncamunca The Knowledgeable One

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    That all seems to fit with this family on the 1861 census:

    Villa Place, Aston (ecclesiastical district of St Silas) (RG 9/2182, f.62, p.22)

    Thomas Willson, head, mar., 47, Jeweller employs 1 man & 2 Boys
    Mary A do, wife, mar, 47
    Maria A. do, daur, 22, assistant
    Edward H. do, son, 17, assists his Father
    Helen A. do, daur, 14, scholar
    Emily J. do, daur, 10
    all born Warwickshire Birmingham
     
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    I don't see a 1861 census on my tree. Can you send me the link to it, please?
     
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    And that fits in with 1851 HO107, Piece 2058, Folio 558, Page 25.
    In Unett Street, Birmingham
    Thomas Wilson 37
    Mary Ann Wilson 37
    Mary Ann Wilson 12
    Eward Wilson 7
    Ellen Amanda Wilson 4
    Emily Jane Wilson 7 Mo
     
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