Martha Pascoe/Pasco married name Colenso after 1841

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    The above married Richard Colenso (all spelling) 7th October 1838 at Crowan.
    1841 has her living at with her mother-in-law Ann at HO107/136/3/16/815 Breage.
    It is possible that husband Richard died in 1849.
    Martha and Richard had Richard born 1840/1841 ,Elizabeth 1839 and Martha 1844.All born Breage.1841 Martha is spelt Calensa.
    I can't find Martha or her children after 1841 although I have found her mother-in-law Ann in 1851 and 1861.
     
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    It looks like the family - including Richard - moved to Glamorgan.

    The 1851 census has them living at Northway, Bishopston, Swansea. Ref: piece 2467, folio 82, page 4.

    They have been recorded as CLENZA but there is:
    Richard b 1820, lead miner
    Martha b 1820
    Elizabeth b 1840
    Richard b 1841
    Martha b 1843
    So this looks like them. :)
    There is also Ann b 1849, who was born in Wales.
     
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    Yup, definitely them. I checked Ann's birth (was registered in Swansea in 1848) and the mother's maiden name was PASCOE. ;)
     
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    The Richard death 1849 was caused by being hit on the head by a policeman in an altercation. Brother John Colensa was there as well. Cornwallopc and a newspaper report.
    No idea who Martha's father is because -dead- is where her father's name should be.
    Can't find them in 1861 now.
    Two families both with Richard and John as siblings in Breage!
     
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    It looks like they were living in Llanrwst, Denbighshire in 1853 as the Parish Records have the baptism of a son, John, on 5th September that year. Strangely, not only was John's birth registered in Llanrwst in the September quarter of 1853, but it had also been registered in the March quarter of 1850 in Neath Registration District.

    Also, a daughter, Mary Jane, was baptised on 17th October that same year. Their address was Ffridd Mine, which is about 40 miles away from Llanrwst.

    There is a death registration for Mary Jane, in the Llanrwst registration district in the December quarter 1853.
     
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    One Richard was baptised at Breage on 26th December 1818 to parents William and Elizabeth.
    The other was baptised at Breage on 26th December 1820 to parents Richard and Anne. ;)
     
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    What is interesting is that there is a marriage that took place in the Abergavenny Registration District in the March quarter of 1859 between a William WILLIAMS and a Martha PASCOE.

    Looking at the 1871 census (Piece 5387, Folio 59, Page 30) shows William and Martha living at Birthdir, Glamorgan. With them is a Joseph COLENSO, who is recorded as “Wife’s son”. So, the link is there between PASCOE and COLENSO again.

    This makes me wonder if this Joseph is in fact John, mentioned in post #5.

    Although the 1871 census just has Martha having been born in Cornwall, the 1891 census has her born in Crowan. (Piece 4429, folio 65, page 17)

    So....

    It looks like Richard came to a sticky end some time between 1853 and 1859...

    Unless he was still alive somewhere... :nailbiting:
     
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    Found a tree..
    Joseph Colenso born 1852 Swansea died 1917 Pontypridd
    Father Richard Colenso born 1820 Breage died 1858 Helston
    Mother Martha Pascoe born 26/10/1817 Crowan
    Joseph married Elizabeth Davies 1873 Bedwelty, Monmouthshire.
    Daughter Eliazbeth Ann Colenso 1883 Pontridd dies 1984 Glamorgan married William Henry Martin.
     
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    Hmmm - not so sure about that:

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    No. me either. He was an infant.
    Another in 1858 was 11 son of Richard.
     
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    http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~mandx/history/page22awales.htm
    Have a look here. Very intriguing......
    Don't forget to click on the 'cholera page' link. It takes you back to the birth of Richard Colenso.
     
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    The correct one is Richard and Ann with the link between Jory and Colenso.
    Maybe the Richard that died after being hit on the head by a policeman in 1849 was a son William and Elizabeth.
     
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    Still no sign of Richard the elder.
    My daughter has been trying to find information about this family for somebody,
     
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    Richard COLLENSO Sept qtr 1857 Helston 5c 140???????
     
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    Nope. :(

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    I wonder if this is anything to do with Martha Colenso who moved to Wales ?

    Monmouthshire Merlin - 1st June 1877 - Page 5

    TREDEGAR. THE BLAINA BIGAMIST AND HIS THREE WIVES.
    A special session was held on Thursday, at the Magistrates Clerks' Chambers, Bridge-street, before Mr G. Harrhy, when George Buttrey, haulier, Blaina, surrendered to his bail, charged on remand in marrying on 23rd November, 1873, Caroline Grist, his wife Elizabeth being then alive. Elizabeth Magor deposed she was a single woman living at Blaina before she married George Buttrey she had a child by him which was born in four months after they were married the marriage took place at Hermon Baptist chapel, Blaina, on 27th June, 1867, in presence of Mary Evans and Ann Morgan had three children by prisoner two were now alive they lived together at Rhymney up to 1872, when prisoner left her to search for work, and he never returned she returned to Blaina and worked out to maintain her children; heard shortly afterwards that the prisoner and Caroline Grist were living together had no proof of it till she received the copy of the certificate (produced) from the Rev. I. Morgan, of Nantyglo Church had since heard that prisoner's first wife was alive at Rhymney, was never told by him that he was previously married, or that his wife was alive.
    Margaret Bath, wife of John Bath, collier, Blaina, deposed that she was present cleaning Hermon Chapel, when the marriage between George Buttrey and Elizabeth Magor took place.
    John R. Lewis, Registrar of Marriages, produced a certified copy of the marriage of George Buttrey with Martha Colenso, and deposed to being present on 14th November, 1863, when the parties were married at the office of the Registrar, by the Superintendent Registrar, Tredegar.
    Caroline Grist, the third and last wife, deposed that she formerly lodged with Richard Buttrey, at Blaina, where the prisoner George Buttrey and his little girl also lodged. Prisoner told witness he was married, but that his wife had deserted him. He said he was homeless and friendless, and would make a home if witness was willing to join him. He also told her his first wife had left him. Witness, after a time, consented to become Mrs. Buttrey, if there was no danger. He said his second wife had declared she would never live with him again. Witness was married to him at Nantyglo church on 23rd November, 1873, in the presence of John Sweet, Mary Sweet, and Elizabeth Bevan witness still lived with the prisoner at Blaina.
    Elizabeth Bevan, pew opener at Nantyglo church said she was present at the marriage of George Buttrey and Caroline Grist in November, 1873.
    Police-sergeant Williams deposed that on apprehending prisoner at Blaina on 26th May and reading over the warrant, prisoner admitted being married three times. Through the absence of a witness whose evidence is all-important, the magistrate decided to adjourn the case till next Tuesday, and the prisoner was further remanded on bail, himself in £50 and two sureties of £ 20 each.
    The trio of wives heard the evidence, and they afterwards adjourned to a neighbouring hostelry to refresh themselves, and to discuss what was best to be done.

    George got 12 months' hard labour.
     
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    Mentioned in the link of Colensos in Wales, after Martha married George Battery she married Charles Willacombe in 1881 as Martha CLENSO.
    Not until she gave him 3 more kids though. Charles 1869, Wiliam John 1871 and Richard 1873.
    I haven’t checked the authenticity of this information as yet. I think she gave as good as she got if she married William Williams bigamously as Martha PASCOE when she was still married to Richard Colenso.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
    Sorry @Genie1 but I wonder where she hid the body.:eek:
     
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    This can’t be Martha Colenso who married Richard.
    In 1881 she is married to Charles Williscomb a coal miner but she is 34 years old. Unless she hid her age well. Could be her daughter though. Says born Cornwall in 1847.
     
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    Probably daughter Martha born 1842 in the Helston District.
     
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    I have found Charles and Martha in 1881 census RG11/5304/53/8/381
    1, Brittania Place, Ystradyfodwg, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales.
    I presume the children are those of George Battery/Buttery?
    I can't find the family after this time.
     

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