Mary Batchelor

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  1. Sandiep

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    is Alford surrey near Capel cos in 1787 a Mary Quelch married a Thomas Batchelor

    Ockley in 1794 a Mary Sayer
     
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    I saw that first one and ruled her out as being too late if the first child was born much earlier. But, since the early births don't name the mother it is possible there were two Thomas or he married twice. I found the burial of Eliz wife of Thomas in 1808 in Capel this afternoon. It could be either of those Marys Sandie. :(
     
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    There is a problem with Thomas and Mary Batchelor, the only one for
    Surrey coming up from my CD of Surrey Marriages is in 1794 at Ockley,
    of Capel. There is a 1774 at Walton on Thames but that's miles away.
    Perhaps need to see whether Thomas was married before.
    For John and Sarah Warren I have Charlwood Aug 1 John Warren and
    Sarah Edwards.
     
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    Perhaps she or her hubby didn't like the father Thomas or just the name of Thomas? [or hadn't got around to that child yet? ]
     
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    John and Sarah married 1791!!
     
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    There is not, apparently, an original image for Thomas and Mary at
    Ockley on Anc. FS say they are both single, so you have to take it
    that Mary is their first born, and the other earlier Thomas is different.
     
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    You didn't mention Martha dau of Thomas and Mary, 1797 Apr 30, Capel.
    She was buried Capel, 1821 Apr 1, aged 24.
    At Wimbledon (or Merton) there is a burial for Thomas Bachelor, aged 57,
    1833 Jan 18.
    A possible for this Thomas' baptism, although a little out, is at Betchworth,
    1772 May 3, son of James and Elizabeth.
    Also notice Capel was a Quaker headquarters and some Batchelors from
    Warnham, Sussex attended there as did some Sayers.
     
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    oo missed her. Will check out the Quakers, I love their records, so much info.
     
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    Betchworth marriage.
    1768 Sep 19 James Batchelor otp & Elizabeth Cook otp lic
     
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    At Capel. 1812 Sep 30 Mary Batchellor the wife of Thos. Batchellor
    was Buried.
    It rather looks as if when James Warren married Mary Batchelor
    her father came with her!
    Regarding your comparison of signatures, it would seem only the
    one at the marriage of his daughter is relevant!
     
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    Coo she didn't last long then poor lass.
     
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    Sandie, Google has this as Alfold and it is about 13 miles away by road from Capel. Ockley is 3 miles so I reckon we can safely rule out Mary Quelch and go with Mary Sayer. Just tying up ends here. :)
     
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    Agreed re the Alfold marriage.
    Sue, can you give a listing of whichever of them you have in the
    1841 Census?
     
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    None of these. Only Edmund (James' son) and Joshua also James's son.
     
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    Found the image of the marriage and the banns, both single.
     
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    @AnnB could you have a rummage in the newspapers for a murder at Chadwell Heath mentioning James Warren 1864? I cant get anything sensible.

    Xxxx
     
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    the james warren mentioned is age 80 the woman murdered was employed as his housekeeper and then married James son John
    there is a large article in the Chelmsford Chronicle 30th Sept 1864
    do you think hes yours if so will put more
     
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    @Sandiep not certain, I have never found James Warren in any census and I think he was born 1792, so if the age in the paper is right, probably not him.
     
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    I always thought he died before census records.
     
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    I've found it, will be on to it after shopping and I'll send it to you via e-mail as it's quite long :) I've just seen that he's probably not yours, but shall I send it anyway?

    Guess who used to live in Chadwell Heath......:rolleyes::D
     
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