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Mary Ellen Leach, Rochdale

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  1. MarkJ

    MarkJ Well-Known Member

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    Mary Ellen (also possibly found as Mary Helen in some records) Leach was born around 1879, based on the 1881 census where she can be found with her grandmother Sarah Ann Leach (who wasn't actually a widow, whatever it says on the census - she never married).
    The 1881 census ref is RG11/4104 folio 8 page 10.
    When I originally saw this entry, I assumed (oh silly boy!) that Mary Ellen was the daughter of the married John Thomas and his wife Mary (nee Thompson).
    Now, in 1891, I have found a Sarah A Leach with her daughter Mary and a granddaughter Mary H Leach (ref RG12/3339 folio 16). A look at the census for John Thomas Leach - the brother of Mary and my original "parent" of Mary Ellen/Mary H - has no sign of a Mary child at all.

    Anyway, to provide some proof that Mary is the unmarried mother of Mary Ellen Leach born around 1879, I would like to see the baptism register and see who is listed. I have looked at the Lancashire OPC records but they have no baptism listed for this particular lady - but their records are not complete and I can't see anything on Familysearch etc either.
    I assume (here I go again!) that Mary Ellen would have been baptised somewhere in the Rochdale area but no idea exactly where.
    If anyone has access to a database of baptism registers in Lancashire and could look Mary Ellen up for me I would be most grateful.
    Thanks :)
    Mark
     
  2. Sandiep

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    Sept 1896 has a William Edmund lund marrying a Mary Leach and in the 1891 census a Mary E Leach is visiting and she is down as niece.........so perhaps she is Johns daughter??
     
  3. MollyMay

    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    There is a Mary Ellen Leach birth reg March qtr 1879 Rochdale 8e 60

    Using this on the GRO search, it give the mother's maiden name as Thompson,
    so it looks like your original assumption was correct:)
     
  4. MarkJ

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    Thanks for your inputs :) I shall look for a death - Mary Ellen doesn't appear with her parents later on, so possibly died or was looked after by some other member of the family.
    John Thomas and Mary (Thompson) Leach are the parents of my maternal grandmother, so Mary Ellen would be my gran's sister.

    Thanks again - appreciate the swift help here on TD :)

    Edit: She is with parents in 1881, but not 1891. No death I can see, so must be around somewhere else. Off I go to look!
     
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    she is possibly with the Lund family in 1891 and in 1911 visiting a Whitworth family at 28 Titton Street Rochdale
     
  6. Ma-dotcom

    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Did it again didn't press the button or didn't get this down before interrupted. Late but here we go
    1891
    Name: Mary H Leach Age: 12
    Estimated birth year: abt 1879
    Relation: Granddaughter
    Where born: Rochdale, Lancashire, England
    Civil Parish: Wuerdle and Wardle
    Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Hamer
    Town: Rochdale
    Sarah A. Leach 62
    Mary Leach 27
    Mary H. Leach 12
    Source Citation
    Class: RG12; Piece: 3339; Folio: 16; Page: 26;
    This could suggest that Mary H/Ellen is the dtr of Mary & not John Leach & his wife Mary nee Thompson.
    1891 John Thomas Leach b. Lancashire, EnglandRochdale
    is here :
    Civil Parish: Chadderton
    John Thomas Leach 35
    Mary Leach 34
    Henry Leach 11
    Jane Leach 8
    William Leach 2
    RG12; Piece: 3315; Folio: 97; Page: 27

    A tree on Anc. suggests Mary Ellen is the dtr of John & Mary.


    Wuerdle and Wardle: there was another Leach family listed which could have been confusing, [Edmund & sther]
    Tried 1939 reg' for her but non! even tried poss. married names, but not before I had to quit.
     
  7. Ma-dotcom

    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Just lost the post cleverly, had already missed it once this morning.
    1891
    Name: Mary H Leach Age: 12
    Estimated birth year: abt 1879
    Relation: Granddaughter
    Where born: Rochdale, Lancashire, England
    Civil Parish: Wuerdle and Wardle
    Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Hamer
    Town: Rochdale
    Sarah A. Leach 62
    Mary Leach 27
    Mary H. Leach 12
    Source Citation
    Class: RG12; Piece: 3339; Folio: 16; Page: 26;
    This could suggest that Mary H/Ellen is the dtr of Mary & not John Leach & his wife Mary nee Thompson.
    An Anc. tree suggests Mary is the dtr of John & Mary.

    Sandie's find seems to verify this.

    1891 Has John Thomas here:
    Name: John Thomas Leach
    Age: 35
    Estimated birth year: abt 1856 Rochdale, Lancashire, England
    Spouse: Mary Leach
    Civil Parish: Chadderton
    Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew, Oldham
    John Thomas Leach 35
    Mary Leach 34
    Henry Leach 11
    Jane Leach 8
    William Leach 2
    Source Citation
    Class: RG12; Piece: 3315; Folio: 97; Page: 27
    ........................
     
  8. MarkJ

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    Ah - now you can see why I am confuzzled!
    There is a Mary H Leach (my possible Ellen/Helen) with granny Sarah Ann and daughter Mary in Rochdale. John Thomas and his wife - hilariously also called Mary (but the Irish one!) were in Chadderton, which is where my gran and indeed my mother were from. But the question is - was Mary H (Mary E?) the daughter of Mary Leach, dau of Sarah Ann (sister of John Thomas Leach ) or the dau of John Thomas Leach and his wife Mary (nee Thompson)?
    We have a birth of a Mary Ellen Leach to Mary Leach (nee Thompson), courtesy of MollyMay. That fits fine with the family - I know John Thomas Leach married a Mary Thompson from Galway in Eire.
    But the 1891 Mary H Leach isn't with any obvious "parent" unless Mary (aged 27) is the mother?

    This is proving a right conundrum!

    Wait until I throw the Sarah Ann Leach tale out for you all to feast upon!

    Mark :)
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Mary E. may have been holidaying with Gran Sarah Ann at time off census, or staying with to give parents a break & perhaps learning a 'trade'- occupation?
    Or not to interrupt schooling. :sceptical:
     
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    I have no idea Wendy. Think the myriad of Marys is too difficult at the moment! I will hopefully return to them in the new year, when I should be able to concentrate better.
    Thanks again for the assistance with this family!
     
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    Sorry new to this but got some old paperwork here from 1912 with names of Mary Chadwick leach and a Thomas leach and several other leach members if that’s any good to you ?
     
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