Michael Cohen

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  1. Archie's Mum

    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    1. Ah ha! If Colquhoun is pronounced Kah-hoon as on google then Cohen seems quite feasible.
    But Corcoran is another matter. However he signed with a cross so I’m guessing the minister was guessing too. Oops, priest.
     
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    And to me. And one of the witnesses is called Corcoran.
     
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    No idea where that 1. came from.:rolleyes:
    How do you get Colquhoun from Corcoran? This thread has me :headbang:
     
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    Yes, I was surprised to see it was Scottish. When I was at work (many moons ago) I came across many weird and wonderful names, one of which was Colquhoun, and the family pronounced it Colhoon. They were neither Scottish nor Irish (or, at least the generation I knew wasn’t) so perhaps they weren’t pronouncing it as their ancestors would have done. I would certainly think it could get confused with Cohen :)
     
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    I know Baine/Bain is Scottish as we have a ‘Willy Bain’ who was born William Sutherland and changed it to Bain, believed to be because there were too many William Sutherland’s in his family. And he wasn’t wrong. They are everywhere.
     
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    The really annoying thing about all this is that Michael Cohen (or what ever the true name is) first grand daughter is still alive but had a major fall out with the family 50 odd years ago and refused to help any one doing family research and is now suffering from dementia. Family lore is she had Michael's army discharge papers, which may give some clues to this mystery of the surname

    Don't mean that her having dementia is annoying.
     
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    I am guessing that as both were Irish and were not able to write (and probably not read) that the Registrars and Priests etc. wrote what they thought they heard and interpreted the surname as they thought fit.
     
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    WelchRegLost Well-Known Member

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    I have found this family in the 1881 Census Living, Long Acre Street, Walsall Foreign, Staffordshire

    RG11/2825/113/42

    Thomas Conory?, Head, Married, 40, 1841, General Labourer, Galway Ireland
    Catherine Conory?, Wife, Married, 47, 1843, Housekeeper, Galway Ireland
    Michael Conory?, Son, Single, 25, 1856, (Fac) Furnace Labourer, Walsall
    Mary Conory?, Daughter, Single, 18 1863, (Sadler) Stitcher, Walsall

    Both FMP and ANC have the same transcription of the Surname as Conory ?


    Could I please have a second opinion as to whether this is the same family?
     
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    Is that correct? It would make Catherine 13 in 1856?
    Family Search has her birth year as 1834.....that’s better:rolleyes:
     
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    Family Search has Conory as well but with a ?
    Perhaps a sneak look at the census?
    I can’t I don’t have a sub
     
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    oops fat fingers strike again Catherine year should read 1834
     
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    Just realised that when I checked FS :rolleyes:
     
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    Looks like Condry to me. This is getting worse. We certainly are in a quandary.
     
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    I hope this fellow has no immediate plans to apply for a passport.
     
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    :D:D
     
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    Just clocked that the Witness Charles Corcoran is the brother listed in the 1861 census @Chimp found
     
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    Please don’t take offence, but I’m starting to think they had no idea what their surname was. Some of these names aren’t even close.
     
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    Non taken beginning to see why my guy changed to Cohen so much easier, just need to find the link that shows this
     
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    Think they knew what is was but couldn't read or write so the spelling was left to who ever was completing the documents and how they heard the name and they probably used a name they already knew for ease.

    Surprising as this may be during the 2011 census I was employed to go to the households who hadn't returned the form and get the completed form back. over the two week period I completed the form for over 400 families and on just about all of those forms i made a judgement call on what was being said to me. 12 of those forms were done for people who could not read or write!!!!
     
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