Miles and Smith

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  1. shazza

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    Hi All and thankyou Huncamunca for your input and interest in my searches. The will of Jethro says he leaves share of his will to Hester Smith, James Smith, Jane Fox, Winifred Smith or Bond, John Smith or Bond, Matilda Smith, Alice Smith, Jamima Smith, Rebecca Smith. I appoint Hester Smith and James Smith my executors and my solemn request that my wife Hester and son James should have a joint interest in the business as long as they can agree and to go on together. If they do not agree the property to be sold by auction. His will was made in 1848 but in 1852 he added onto it because he had purchased more property and I think he says South Field (very hard to read). Now I have an issue with sorting out who are Elizabeth Hickman children and Hester Bond children. I have always thought that my Matilda's mother was Hester but now not so sure. I also thought Winifred and John were born to Elizabeth but he says Smith or Bond in the will. I had these to born well before my Matilda. Yes I think I may need to purchase some of the CD's from the Oxfordshire Society.
    I am also curious as to how Jethro acquired the land and did so well, he only mentions one brother in his diary an Amos Smith but nothing of total interest.
    I have been having a lot of trouble posting a reply, so I will give it another go.

    Cheers
    Shazza
     
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    Hi Shazza,

    I would think from the terminology of the Will that Winifred and John were the children of Hester before she married Jethro.

    Looking at the 1841 census record for Jethro & Hester, it seems most likely that James SMITH was the son of Jethro & Elizabeth (as he is shown as aged 26), that Winifred & John were the children of Hester prior to her marriage to Jethro (although of course he could still be their natural father) and that Matilda and the subsequent children were from Jethro's marriage to Hester. A look at the PR Transcripts CD from the Oxfordshire FHS (WIT03) should clarify matters and show when Elizabeth died.

    Janet
     
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    A bit more information from the 1847 Kelly's Directory of Standlake:

    Absolom HICKMAN, Farmer
    Stephen HICKMAN, Butcher

    Absolom is shown in the 1851 census of Standlake as being a Farmer, born c1790 at Standlake, so could perhaps be a relative of Elizabeth HICKMAN, maybe a brother? Stephen HICKMAN is shown as Infirm (a Calfman in the 1841 census of Standlake) and born c1772 also at Standlake, so again could be connected to Elizabeth.

    Amos SMITH is shown as a Farmer at Standlake in the 1847 Kelly's and there is a John MILES, Carrier, at Brighthampton & a Robert MILES, Shopkeeper, at Standlake - are they connected to your MILES family?

    You might also like to bear in mind that British Origins (a pay per view site) have the Will of a William SMITH, Farmer of Standlake, dated 1818, just in case he turns out to be related to your Jethro.

    Janet
     
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    Hi Janet
    Thankyou very much for the info. I looked up the census for 1841 and it looks as though Amos Smith and the Hickmans were neighbours. I think John Miles is mine but not sure of Robert Miles. John Miles was a shopkeeper in the 1881 census, Witney road Standlake. Jethro also had a brother William so I will purchase the will. Can't find much on Elizabeth Hickman.
    Thanking you
    Cheers
    Shazza
     
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    I have looked at the Oxfordshire FHS Marriage Index to see if I can get any clues as to who may have been Elizabeth HICKMAN's parents. I have found Absolom HICKMAN's marriage at Shifford on 9 November 1813 to a Mary LUCKETT and Stephen HICKMAN married at Standlake on 30 May 1798 to a Sarah LEWIS. Ah, now this could be more relevant in that a William HICKMANN married an Elizabeth HARRIS on 11 September 1768 at Standlake. I wonder if they could perhaps be Elizabeth's parents?? Another marriage at Standlake on 4 April 1802 for a William HICKMANN & Catherine MICHELL - maybe another brother? 5 November 1799 at Standlake Hannah HICKMAN married Richard PERRY and 1 December 1806 Sarah HICKMAN married Philip EATON. There are also other HICKMAN marriages at Standlake at around the time of William's marriage to Elizabeth HARRIS.

    It looks as if William HICKMAN may have died at Standlake in 1817 as British Origins website have an Administration Bond for a William HICKMAN, Cattle Dealer of Standlake. No, on further inspection of the free record for this Administration his widow was a Catherine, so more likely to be the William who married a Catherine MICHELL in 1802.

    So sorry, not much more help but the only male HICKMAN, or variants, marrying with a Standlake connection at about the correct time to be Elizabeth's father in the Oxfordshire Marriage Index is William in 1768.

    Janet
     
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    Thankyou very much Janet, I too have hit a slight hiccup with the Hickmans, but will keep plodding along. I can't find a public family tree with Elizabeth either but I am sure something will turn up. I am going to concentrate on William Hickman and Elizabeth Harris, because that seems to be the most probable. Thankyou again for your help

    Cheers
    Shazza
     
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    Hi Shazza! Just now found this site while I was looking for Hester Bond. My ancestors are Bond from England/USA/Canada (where I am from) with a probable connection to Hester who is your gggrandmother. Could you tell me more about her, I know she was Jethro's 2nd wife, was she married before him & had 2 kids already? Could you give me some more info on her family so that I have a direction to head in? Thank you so much! KaTyrrell
     
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    Hi All
    It has been a long time since I have been on this site, justed started back my researching on the Smith and Miles Families.
    Hoping you can help me once again.
    Jethro Smith I know married Elizabeth Hickman in 1814, I also know he married Hester Bond in 1828. But, I have found a burial for a Mary on the 25/3/1827, which states wife of Jethro. I can't find a marriage for Jethro and Mary and I can't verify Elizabeth's death. If he was married to Mary, he had 2 children, One Winifred (cannot find her baptism) and John who was baptised 10/1/1828, about the same time he Married Hester. Winifred was Jethro and Hester's child as well.
    Hope all of you are well
    Cheers
    Shazza
     
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    Hi SHazza and welcome back.

    I can only find the two marriages for Jethro that you already know about in Ancestry's Oxfordshire Marriage records. Looking through the Oxfordshire parish records, which have now come online via Ancestry since your first query, the last child baptised to Jethro & Elizabeth appears to be a Benjamin baptised at Standlake on 9 November 1822 and buried on 27 November 1822, so Elizabeth nee HICKMAN presumably died sometime between 1822 and 1828 when Jethro remarried. Interestingly, Jethro & Esther's first child, John, was baptised at Standlake on the same day as they married, i.e. 10 January 1828! Ah, Elizabeth wife of Jethro SMITH was buried on 11 May 1822 at Standlake, aged 39, so if there was another marriage it would have to be between May 1822 and January 1828 - not a big timescale. However, I cannot find a marriage for a Jethro SMITH to a Mary in that timescale nor any children baptised to a Jethro & Mary SMITH. Mary SMITH was aged 40 when she died in 1827 so born c1787. No newspaper records for any of the marriages of Jethro that I can find, so I am afraid I am not much help here - at the moment anyway.

    Janet
     
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    Winifred BOND was baptised at Standlake on 29 January 1826 daughter of Esther BOND of Standlake. This ties in very well with the 1851 census where she is referred to as Winifred B SMITH, so perhaps Jethro was the father especially given that John was obviously born before Jethro & Esther married.

    Janet
     
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    Hi Janet, Thankyou for your interest. I have looked high and low for Elizabeth's burial, so thankyou very much. I think baby Benjamin was buried 27/11/1822.
    Winifred, I am pretty sure is Jethro's child. In his will he states all his children who go by the name bond or smith. I also cannot find this marriage to Mary, I have poured over the ancestry BMD's. Maybe Mary came from somewhere else.
    Hester came from Great Cheverell, I would say as a domestic servant, or maybe she came with this Mary. Really I don't know, just trying to look at every angle.
    Thankyou once again Janet
    Cheers
    Shazza
     
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    Well if Winifred was Jethro's child, I wonder if the parish register is incorrect and Mary was the wife of another SMITH resident at Standlake. I know it is not impossible, but is it likely that Jethro was having a relationship with Esther whilst still relatively newly married to Mary. But there again, perhaps that is why Jethro and Hester didn't marry until January 1828 - we may never know unfortunately.

    Janet
     
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    Hi Janet, Winifred base born of Esther. It doesn't look like a nice situation at all.
    Anyway, I will keep looking to see who this Mary was and where they married.
    I feel quite sorry for her.
    Thanks again
    Cheers
    Sherrie
     

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