Missing beginnings for a Blacksmith

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  1. Ma-dotcom

    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Well I'll be, I was just about to ask the advantages or not of joining Kent FH group, pondered it once before & cost put me off at the time- havin to pay full year when joining half way into.
    I borrow your Bummocks Lass as so many of my previouses began-were in or ended up in Kent.
    I though that included FMP as it sems to with some things censuses or such!
     
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    Blackmogs Moderator. General Dogs(cats)body. Staff Member

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    Hmm Wedny not Kent FH Group but the equivalent of a Kent Record Office (held by the County Council Archive). I don't know what the Kent Family History Group have, but like most other FH societies it is probably transcripts rather than images. The thing which drives me mad is that the Kent County Council (Local Authority) has already digistised the parish records, but they won't give permission for any online genealogy site (FS FMP TG or Ancestry) to publish them. I cannot even go into my local library to look this up for you. Images can only be accessed at Maidstone or FS History Centres.
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Oh I see, Thanks Mogsy, evidently still not quite up there for clear thinking,maybe wore it all out yesterday) why do Councils get these mingy ideas, are they afraid their constituents may enjoy life? Or are they learning from the greater GRO on how to make a buck & keep people begging?
     
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    Hello Ma
    I have a 4th Great Grandfather who was a farmer and wheelwright,no mention of any blacksmith skills and no, the skill of wheelwright was' nt passed down as an occupation x
     
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    Joanne Hi. Do you mean that the occupation of Wheelwright was not passed down in your Family.
     
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    Bonzo Dog Still the Mad Scientist?

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    A 4x great aunt married the village blacksmith. In one census return they have an unrelated, younger, lodger. In the next census he is married and listed as blacksmith.
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    10 years ..plenty of time to learn the trade?
     
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    Findem The Fearless One

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    That is a crying shame in these days of the internet, specially so for those who are elderly or infirm and find it difficult or impossible to travel.

    Equally a shame were those parishes in Essex who at one time wouldn't hand over their PRs to the Essex County Council such as Gt Leighs and Hatfield Broad Oak, fortunately both sets of PRs now in the Essex Records Office and on Essex Ancestors. It took a change of incumbent at the Gt Leighs church to get their PRs in the ERO and I believe just so at HBO..

    Once on a trip back to the UK and Essex I did push the then Rector of Gt Leighs church into letting myself and wife view the PRs and do some checking for ourselves. We were allowed to use the Rector's kitchen table to check the PRs, the Rector and his wife made no bones about us being unwelcome, they were in and out of the kitchen numerous times and the looks we received each time would have curdled milk. Mind you I don't blame them one bit for keeping an eye on us because let's face it they didn't know us from Adam so they had no idea of our characters, in their place I would have done the same but the "evil eye" looks were rather unchristian I thought.
     
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    Findem The Fearless One

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    Yes we did get Scrapheap Challenge over here, I watched several episodes and thoroughly enjoyed them. Can't remember if it was on "Free to Air TV" or on pay TV over at my son's place, I'm seeing him tonight I'll ask him now my curiosity is aroused.
     
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    Hi Sandie, As far as I can tell that is affirmative. My Wheelrighter was also a farmer. Of his sons one became a coachman,one a groom and the youngest my GGGGrandfather a gardener after he imigrated to Aus
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Not really conducive to probable volunteers for transcribing ,what?
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    #13...
    Reliably informed by LDS Church member, wait no longer unless you're a Church member or becoming, as this is ONLY For Church Members!!- good of them to be clear on that wot!?

    Well c.d. arrived today- ho hum. perhaps in the future it will be of use to
    some-one else. Helps to bulk out the cd case. :(
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    67. MARTIN John, 16, top William ISARD, tanner, tp until 21, tanner 27/09/1802
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    27 Sept. 1802 E.Grinstead. Joseph martin aged 16 apprenticeship agreement -tanner with master William Isard- tanner.

    these 2 from diff' sces. keyb'd fritzing.
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    These two entries on separate findings, 1st on CD which arrived today, hmph!
    Other from Sussex poor Law records.
    Knowing the transformations of names which occurred in this area, what does one believe re forenames? I've seen images which when transcribed do not meet with what one may see & expect.
    How do we know what to believe?

    Oh yes, keyboard did well after a bit of a clean out ;)
    never give up? well, then again.....??
     
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    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    I had given up expecting a reply - perhaps I should join them o_O
     
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    Huncamunca The Knowledgeable One

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    This is why it's so important to go back to the original source whenever possible. The transcripts, if they are good ones, should tell you where to find the original documents (I would guess the county record office) and give the appropriate reference numbers. You could then commission the folk at the record office to photograph the document for you or get a friend or freelance researcher to visit on your behalf.

    You'd think it would be quite hard to read 'Joseph' as 'John' or vice versa. Perhaps the original says 'Jno' or 'Jos', which might be harder to distinguish.
     
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    Blackmogs Moderator. General Dogs(cats)body. Staff Member

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    I'll add it to my list for when I next visit Chichester [sigh] not sure when that will be.
     
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    Huncamunca The Knowledgeable One

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    (Re. the Kent stuff that is on FamilySearch but not visible to ordinary mortals)

    The LDS's London Family History Centre is now based at The National Archives, which makes Kew an even better place to go! The Kent records ought to be visible from the LDS computers there. I will investigate next time I'm there.
     
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    Bonzo Dog Still the Mad Scientist?

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    Now I know, thanks to Wendy's post, why I am also awaiting an activation e-mail.
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    I have seen names on originals entered as 'Jos' & 'Jo' which are interpreted as James , told-
    or John,.. Joseph or Josiah /Joshua hardly ever got a mention.

    I think you just like County hopping my long suffering Friend, thank you, however, I do think I might approach a Cousin in 'Greater London' area & see if he'd like a trip for 'personal prosperity' -sort of.

    There again, you may have to be a 'Member to access, although I was told that a Member at a Library would usually attempt to help out an enquirer.
     

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