Missing Twin?

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  1. Daft Bat

    Daft Bat Administrator. Chief cook & bottle washer! Staff Member

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    Pharaoh SMITH was born in Ashdon, Essex on 19th December 1837 – at 5pm.

    To me, this indicates that he was a twin as that is the only circumstance that I can think of where a time of birth would be given for births registered in England and Wales.

    However, I can find no twin registered with him.

    Reference: December quarter, Saffron Walden RD, volume 12, page 169

    How likely is this to have been an over-eager Registrar - bearing in mind that Civil Registration was less than 6 months old?

    Or....

    Am I looking for a missing twin? :nailbiting:

    PS The twin issue was first mentioned in this thread. ;)
     
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  2. MollyMay

    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    Why not give the GRO a call and ask them, they are generally really helpful.

    The number is on their site.
     
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    Daft Bat Administrator. Chief cook & bottle washer! Staff Member

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    Good thinking. ;)
     
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  4. Sandiep

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    be interested to know what they say as I have an ancestor also with a time I just assumed if he was a twin it was stillborn so not registered this was in 1839.
     
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    From time to time I've come across suggestions that in the early years of civil registration some registrars in England and Wales routinely recorded the time of children's births, even though it wasn't required. (It always has been in Scotland.)

    A quick search for GRO certificate "time of birth" brought up some results (in other places :eek:):
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    https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=417147.0
    
    https://www.lostcousins.com/newsletters2/dec16news.htm#Twins
    But at least it's now on this forum as well :cool:
     
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  6. Ma-dotcom

    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    My Gt.G'Mother was born 6 June 1843 Bermondsey, Bapt. 7 July St. james Bermondsey. I'm so glad I justlooked - thank you Jan- as I had the wrong date for her Baptism. ;)
    Her birthdate was recorded.
    time of birth.PNG
    p.s. I knew I remebered he name Pharoa but had a look there too anyway .:)
     
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  7. Findem

    Findem The Fearless One

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    I wouldn't have thought that a time would indicate the person is a twin, however, there's a great deal of difference between thinking and knowing so it's best to check.
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    I wish I still had all of my facilities functioning when required instead of having to read such typos. :(
     
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    Daft Bat Administrator. Chief cook & bottle washer! Staff Member

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    Spoke to a lovely lass at the GRO.

    Yes, it would normally indicate that the babe was one of a multiple birth but this was not always the case. Therefore, it could have been recorded for single births.

    There you go - over-enthusiastic Registrars! :sceptical:
     
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    Not to burst a bubble but I have a couple of early birth registrations with the time on and no twins ever found.:(
     
  11. Ma-dotcom

    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Just been checking 'matches' from another place where they ask you to 'confirm' how many times for goodness sake?? So they all missed out on a child who was a twin who died aged two. The time habit didn't spread to 1852 at least not St. Pauls Bermondsey.
    At least the baptism had b & B dates & then burial of young fella. He was still important enough to be included !
     
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  12. Findem

    Findem The Fearless One

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    I believe I might have a definite single birth with the time recorded, I'll have to look in my birth certs.
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Derek, look also at other births same day or Baptisms which may show 2 children. Also ofcourse RGO, but if there was a still birth of one it's probably not listed.
    I liked the habit before I knew it denoted twins.
     
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