Myra Tromans 1871 census

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  1. Ma-dotcom

    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Ignore this as the transcriber ignored "Moiher" as above. I did not view over page properly.
    Sorry, 'wrong way Wendy' strikes again.
     
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    The best I could make of it was Moiher.
     
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    Mealymoo A Busy Lizzy

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    There certainly is another Myra with father Thomas and born circa 1850

    I think your friend needs to be careful, or she will possibly claim the wrong ancestry! The 1861 census you posted (Phillack) is dubious in my opinion, as I don't think the child whose name begins 'M' is M for Myra, it looks nothing like Myra to me, but.............if she's sure!!!!
     
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    Mealymoo A Busy Lizzy

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    Coincidentally there's two Thomas Tromans married to a Phoebe, born Rowley Regis at a similar time.
    This one seems to be the one in Phillack in 1861 - same occupation (chain maker) living Cradley, so yes, couldd be the right one, but ............
    1851, HO107; Piece: 2034; Folio: 38; Page: 27

    Also this one in 1851: HO107; Piece: 2028; Folio: 515; Page: 14 (same guy as the 1861 I posted earlier).
     
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    Mealymoo A Busy Lizzy

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    Name Thomas Truman
    Gender Male
    Christening Date 15 Sep 1822
    Christening Place Rowley Regis, Stafford, England
    Birthplace Blackheath
    Father's Name Thomas Truman
    Mother's Name Mary Truman

    Name Thomas Troman
    Gender Male
    Christening Date 06 Jan 1822
    Christening Place PARK LANE PRESBYTERIAN,CRADLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
    Father's Name Joseph Troman
    Mother's Name Ruth

    Blackheath is only 2.5 miles from Cradley.
     
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    Mealymoo A Busy Lizzy

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    I see two marriages for Thomas Tromans to a Phoebe, but neither have a father Joseph!

    Name Thomas Tromans
    Spouse's Name Phoebe Crampton
    Spouse's Birth Date 1824
    Spouse's Age 20
    Event Date 20 Feb 1844
    Event Place Rowley- Regis, Stafford, England
    Father's Name William Tromans
    Spouse's Father's Name Henry Crampton
    Marital Status Single
    Spouse's Marital Status Single

    Name Thomas Troman
    Birth Date 1819
    Age 22
    Spouse's Name Phobe Chambers
    Spouse's Birth Date 1823
    Spouse's Age 18
    Event Date 15 Aug 1841
    Event Place Dudley, Worcester, England
    Father's Name Thomas Troman
    Spouse's Father's Name Thomas Chambers
    Marital Status Single
    Spouse's Marital Status Single
     
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    Yes I remember tussling with these last year.
    The first family transcribed Truomos by FS are the family genie's friend is following I think. Daughter Henrietta is with the Crampton family in 1861 confirming that this is the Thomas Tromans who married Phoebe Crampton and who later remarried.
    Henrietta and siblings Joseph and Elizabeth seem to be batch baptised in Cradley in 1850 , parents Thomas and Phoebe. Then there is a Myra Troman baptised Cradley 1852, poss part of the same family?

    It would be useful to know a definite documented direct ancestor of genie's friend (such as a grandfather or great grandather) to work back from, to be sure of untangling correctly!
     
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    Mealymoo A Busy Lizzy

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    I agree Grizel :)

    It is more than likely some of the Thomas' are related, perhaps cousins, a couple of them are nail makers, and one a chain maker. I think there's maybe a common ancestor a generation, or two back.
     
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    The 1861 census is correct.
    Joseph who was a brother of Myra (or whatever her name was) married Louisa Nancollis 1867 in Cornwall and his father was Thomas Tromans.
    The Tromans family came to Cornwall from 'upcountry' so maybe the pronunciation of Myra sounded as it was written in the 1861 census.
     
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    Thank you for the clarification, Genie.
     
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    Hi geni
    I have had a good look but cannot find your Myra (or variant) Tromans (or variant) in 1871 . I had hoped she would be somewhere in the Stourbridge area or in the South west but no joy so far.
    The Myra who married John Brace does seem a good bet though as she states born Cradley on censuses.

    I hope someone can track her down in 71!:)
     
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    Hello i've just signed up to this website and if I'm correct you seem to be looking for a Mira Tromans daughter of Thomas tromans and Pheobe Crampton, I am tracing my husbands family tree and she was his 2x grandmother, I have her birth certificate on which her fathers occupation was a chainmaker. like you I cannot find her on the 1871 census, but if I can be of any assistance with anything else related to her or her family ill be happy to help, if I'm able regards Sue
     
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    Good to hear from you. My friend has the information obout this family and I should be seeing her tomorrow.
    Still unable to find Mira.
     
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    Thomas and Phoebe had 3 children -Henrietta 1844,Joseph born 1845 ish and Myra 1852 and Myra is 2xgreataunt to my friend.
    We found a marriage for her and John Brace on 21st May 1877. Is this correct?
    Thomas 2nd marriage was to Elizabeth Foxall and there were 4 children from- that marriage.
     
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    hi yes the marriage is correct and I have joseph 1843 Myra 1852 William 1841. there are a few differences but more similarities I think.
    Brace is not a common name so I think that Myra could be one and the same. does your friend have an ancestry account if so she could find my tree on there. Sue
     
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    My friend doesn't have an ancestry account. I have been on ancestry but am not a subscriber.
    I contacted her and asked about the Wiliam 1841 but she can't see where he fits in.
    I have looked at the 1861 census and the family had moved to Cornwall at that time and the only William was age 4 and born at Quarry Bank, Staffordshire.
    I think that James Tromans age 6 in the 1861 census was the son of Elizabeth and her 1st husband although he had the Tromans surname.
    1861.
    Piece: RG9/1586 Place: Redruth -Cornwall Enumeration District: 3
    Civil Parish: Phillack Ecclesiastical Parish: -
    Folio: 65 Page: 30 Schedule: 177
    Address: Commercial Road
     
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    I'm not sure any of my husbands ancestors went to live in Cornwall at least not any I know of, but it's not impossible!! Im fascinated with this possible link. I live in dudley so when I've a chance I'll visit the archives and see if I can clarify any of this. I'll keep you informed. Meanwhile you never know things might clarify themselves.
    if you friend has anything she wants me to search for at the archives I'll be happy to help!
     
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    Thanks for that.I will let her know.
    From what I can remember (and I had to look at FMP)Thomas Tromans married Phoebe Crampton in 1844 in the Dudley District.
    Also this
    Code:
    https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/581870f0e93790eb7fd0402b?search_id=58dd2b5133045bd27e96d1c3&ucf=false
    Hope the link works.
    After Phoebe's death Thomas married Elizabeth Doody in 1855.Dudley district. I think that she was a Foxall.
     
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    1851 has Henrietta born 1844 living at Light Green,Cradley with her parents Thomas and Phoebe and brother Joseph.
    1861 Henrietta is living with her grandparents Henry and Elizabeth Crampton at Light Green,Cradley.
    1861 Thomas born 1822 and his 2nd wife have moved to Cornwall with Joseph and Mirah from his first marriage and from the 2nd marriage William age 4 born Quarry Bank Staffordshire :Mary J age 2 born Bristol and Elizabeth A 1 month born Cornwall.
    I have found in 1851 another Tromans family: Thomas a nail maker, born 1818;Phoebe 1820;William born;1841;Joseph 1843;Maria 1850 all living at Pear Tree Street Rowley Regis.
    May be this is your husband's family and my friend had 'her'Myra married to the wrong chap.
    My friend just had this marriage as a possibility and if she is wrong we still don't know where Mirah is.
    Added: Looking at your post again,you had a birth certificate of Myra and you said her mother's maiden name was Crampton?
     
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