Occupation?
- Thread starter MollyMay
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Potter?Any thoughts on this occupation?
1851 Census ref HO107/1545/600/35 in Whitechapel London
Saml Salter
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I am confident it is not Fat Metter (thanks FMP).
I have him in 1841 and again cannot work out his occupation
HO107 piece 716 book 3 folio 7 page 6
I'm wondering if it might be Fat Melter.
I think the one you found in 1841 is a Labourer (Lab.), but while looking for him I came across what may be a better match (the ages are more consistent): HO107/711/1 fo49 p18, with the occupation Tallow Chandler, which seems similar or related to Fat Melter.
I think the one you found in 1841 is a Labourer (Lab.), but while looking for him I came across what may be a better match (the ages are more consistent): HO107/711/1 fo49 p18, with the occupation Tallow Chandler, which seems similar or related to Fat Melter.
GrannyBarb
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I was going to suggest "Hat" something or other. Given Arthur's research, "Fat Melter" seems more likely.
MollyMay
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Thank you.
I am a tad surprised, although Fat Melter does seem plausable, to what is written.
I do have the right family in 1841, as George Salter, the watchmaker, is his father.
I have Samuel's baptism 14/8/1816 born 26/7/1816 at St Mary Whitechapel
s/o George and Frances Elizabeth - where his father's occ. is given as watch motion maker.
In 1841 Samuel's daughter is with the family, and his wife gave birth to another daughter Amelia, registered 2nd qtr 1841 (death registered Dec qtr 1842). Both the girls have a mmn as Tu[o]nbridge - not that I have been able to find a marriage yet.
I am now thinking I have the wrong family in 1851, as Samuel's age is wildly wrong, I only found this one by looking for the daughter Hannah.
I had better return to the drawing board
I am a tad surprised, although Fat Melter does seem plausable, to what is written.
I do have the right family in 1841, as George Salter, the watchmaker, is his father.
I have Samuel's baptism 14/8/1816 born 26/7/1816 at St Mary Whitechapel
s/o George and Frances Elizabeth - where his father's occ. is given as watch motion maker.
In 1841 Samuel's daughter is with the family, and his wife gave birth to another daughter Amelia, registered 2nd qtr 1841 (death registered Dec qtr 1842). Both the girls have a mmn as Tu[o]nbridge - not that I have been able to find a marriage yet.
I am now thinking I have the wrong family in 1851, as Samuel's age is wildly wrong, I only found this one by looking for the daughter Hannah.
I had better return to the drawing board
MollyMay
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Just to close matters.
The 1841 census entry that @arthurk found is consistent with the 1851 census and the births of the 2 girls Hannah Frances and Amelia both with mnn Tonbridge.
Needless to say 'my' Samuel s/o George the watchmaker and Frances Elizabeth, with a Hannah Salter age 1 in the same household in Whitechapel - vanishes.
I know Frances Elizabeth Died in 1848, I cannot find George in 1851, nor Samuel or Hannah
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Off to do more searching - another post might be in the offing.....
The 1841 census entry that @arthurk found is consistent with the 1851 census and the births of the 2 girls Hannah Frances and Amelia both with mnn Tonbridge.
Needless to say 'my' Samuel s/o George the watchmaker and Frances Elizabeth, with a Hannah Salter age 1 in the same household in Whitechapel - vanishes.
I know Frances Elizabeth Died in 1848, I cannot find George in 1851, nor Samuel or Hannah
.Off to do more searching
- another post might be in the offing.....
janetbooth
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Given that the death registration for Frances Elizabeth was East London, there is a death registration for a George SALTER in the December qtr 1848 at East London reg district, aged 68. Could this be a possibility for Watch Maker George?
Janet
Janet
MollyMay
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Thank you Janet, I did find that one last night and agree with you, it is probably the right one.
This family is driving me nuts, I end up going around and around in circles and that is just looking for the name Salter without the name varients box ticked
If there is anything to be grateful for, it is that the chap that is 'mine' is the one and only child that I have been able to piece together a life for, and the rest are not essentially important, apart from finding out more about George and Frances Elizabeth.
This family is driving me nuts, I end up going around and around in circles and that is just looking for the name Salter without the name varients box ticked
If there is anything to be grateful for, it is that the chap that is 'mine' is the one and only child that I have been able to piece together a life for, and the rest are not essentially important, apart from finding out more about George and Frances Elizabeth.
janetbooth
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Well, I am glad I am not the only one who can't find the children of George & Frances Elizabeth with any certainty after their baptisms! I can find the marriage record of George & Frances Elizabeth NORCOTE in 1807 at St George in the East, the baptisms of their children, the deaths of George & Frances Elizabeth and then zilch, except for perhaps son Thomas. I did wonder if Samuel may have emigrated because I found a Samuel SLATER born c1817 England in the States but then I cannot find any emigration/immigration records to substantiate whether he is a SLATER or a SALTER.
Janet
Janet
MollyMay
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Thank you Janet, it is nice to know I am not alone in finding nothing on this family. Luckily Thomas married the sister of one of my Brown family males. Thomas's daughter's second marriage was to a cousin, born to the that Brown family
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That was relatively easy to sort out, if only his siblings were.
I had tentatively came to the same conclusion as to his parents, so it is good to know you think the same.
.That was relatively easy to sort out, if only his siblings were.
I had tentatively came to the same conclusion as to his parents, so it is good to know you think the same.
janetbooth
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If only George had survived until the 1851 census there might have been a few more clues
. I thought I might have found Jane Ann as there was a Jane SALTER who married a Robert TOVEY in 1835 (a bit early but you never know). She died between in 1850 & Robert remarried, but following her through it looks from her death record as if she was born c1804 so definitely not Jane Ann. There is also a banns record May/June 1841 at St Dunstan for a Sarah SALTER & a Richard BROWN, both of the parish, but then needless to say I cannot find the actual marriage record nor can I find them with any certainty in the 1851 census record. I can see why you were tearing your hair out!
Janet
. I thought I might have found Jane Ann as there was a Jane SALTER who married a Robert TOVEY in 1835 (a bit early but you never know). She died between in 1850 & Robert remarried, but following her through it looks from her death record as if she was born c1804 so definitely not Jane Ann. There is also a banns record May/June 1841 at St Dunstan for a Sarah SALTER & a Richard BROWN, both of the parish, but then needless to say I cannot find the actual marriage record nor can I find them with any certainty in the 1851 census record. I can see why you were tearing your hair out!Janet
MollyMay
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Thanks again Janet - I have a quiet day (had the family here yesterday 
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I think these Salters are 10 times harder to find than my Brown family, and they were a trial and a half.
I also have Slatters, so know just how easy it is to find their names mangled.
I confess to have on occasions written Slater instead of Salter in my notes
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so as well as Satter, Slater becomes a distinct possibility as well, and there are thousands of those.
).I think these Salters are 10 times harder to find than my Brown family, and they were a trial and a half.
I also have Slatters, so know just how easy it is to find their names mangled.
I confess to have on occasions written Slater instead of Salter in my notes
,so as well as Satter, Slater becomes a distinct possibility as well, and there are thousands of those.
janetbooth
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Bit like my SMITHs of which I have a multitude on both maternal & paternal lines, the majority of which seem to be John, George or William. Oh for a Zachariah or some such relatively uncommon forename.
Janet
, the majority of which seem to be John, George or William. Oh for a Zachariah or some such relatively uncommon forename. Janet
MollyMay
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After dumping Samuel the tallow chandler / fat melter as not mine, it seems he just might be, as an uncle to the Samuel Salter I was looking for (there is a death reg that fits for him in 1847 June qtr Whitechapel 2 - 406 age 31).
In FMP's apprentice records there is one for 1/10/1816 for a Samuel Salter, son of John (baker - who is one of mine). Samuel is apprenticed to one Peter Baldree.
Can anyone decypher the last word. Whoever transcribed for FMP gave up and just put a ? (I don't blame them). So Tallow Chandler and ????
In FMP's apprentice records there is one for 1/10/1816 for a Samuel Salter, son of John (baker - who is one of mine). Samuel is apprenticed to one Peter Baldree.
Can anyone decypher the last word. Whoever transcribed for FMP gave up and just put a ? (I don't blame them). So Tallow Chandler and ????
It's Melter again
The first letter is very similar in formation to the 'N' in the line above. You can just make out a faint line going from the loop across to the right hand leg, but this one is wider than the 'N' and has a vertical line down the middle to make it an 'M'.
The first letter is very similar in formation to the 'N' in the line above. You can just make out a faint line going from the loop across to the right hand leg, but this one is wider than the 'N' and has a vertical line down the middle to make it an 'M'.
