Old versions maps of Liverpool areas.

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  1. Ma-dotcom

    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Today I had the shock horror of looking for my Pendlebury Mitchell family in Legacy files & not finding them :eek: I know I had them perhaps they disappeared in a machine lapse some time ago, thank goodnessI still had many notes & copies of BMDs from St. Peters & St. Nicholas BMDs.

    Today's question, my 3rd Gt. G'Father Thomas Pendlebury who married Jane Rawlinson [or maybe Rowlinson in some quarters] was the Father of Hannah who married John Mitchell, thus my 2nd Gt. Grandies. I had been traversing a liverpool map to link up all of the streets where they lived -died & after retyping all of details for Thomas & Jane Pendlebury & their littlies, I went looking for thier street abodes. The last girl born took my attention as she & her Mother Jane both were listed on death 1812 at 'Ryley's Gardens'. I did find it on a map with satellite photo & wondered if anyone here knew the area.
    [It is a short distance from their earlier adress of Tithebarn st. where Thomas was a Tailor. ] No gardens visible just seems to be the name of the street unless it referrred to the squared area which appears to have one building & several car spaces, & backs onto another building evidently now ' underground Liverpool ' -Trident house.

    I wonder if there were other buildings on Ryley's Gardens in an earlier life.

    I found a death date for Thomas as 1825 aged 53 -correct age, I beieve it to be his as he was then living in Watkinson st. where his dtr Hannah now Mitchell was living & her first son born. I did intend to post a photo of Ryleys Gardens but it's spoiled by blue dots & the message of '1 min' 82 ft, evidently to reach Underground Liverpool- night club? HoweverI can offer the url if anyone wants a looksee. Just up the way "Tempest Hey" is Tithebarn St. & a block over is "Hackin's Hey" where lived the couple I have chosen to be my 3rd Mitchell Gt. G'Parents. :D

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    https://www.google.com/maps/dir/53.4083101,-2.9897145/Ryleys+Gardens,+Liverpool+L2+2BL,+UK/@53.4082424,-2.9914819,287m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m8!4m7!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x487b2131ec93d619:0x9b58966e6873b125!2m2!1d-2.9900605!2d53.408565
     
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    Daft Bat Administrator. Chief cook & bottle washer! Staff Member

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    This is a snip from a map of Liverpool from 1888. Does that help at all?
     
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    Bay Horse Can be a bit of a dark horse

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    Just had a friend walk in and look over my shoulder at the old maps of Liverpool I have open - she is very interested in old buildings and (like me) used to work in the city centre.

    Have you read the following, Wendy?

    unlistedliverpool.blogpost.com/2016/07/hey-hey.html

    If you have Twitter, Liverpool1207 discusses the old warehouse building on the corner in some detail.
     
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    ...apparently the old warehouse was designed by William Culshaw in 1849 (via HistoricEngland.org) so not as old as I first imagined.

    Ackermann's Panoramic View of Liverpool (1847) shows more or less a 'rooftop view', using the town hall as a starting point.
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Thank you Jan, it does- i think, eyes not the best today- v. slap dash sleep. Can you give URL please, as I cannot enlarge it.

    B.H.-thanks Jenny but I can'tdecide whether I want to download an extension in order to view-[Chrome]- no ,I don't have twitter other than in my garden.
    Can't seem to get the airial shots either ,delete that- just changed to 'Edge' & was able to locate the blog. Thanks again.

    Also found a list of old maps obviously wasn't thinking on all 6 when I posted yesterday, too much stressing over lost files maybe. ;)
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    @Bay Horse , a rather lovely 1847 map-Ackermann's Panoramic View- I could guess where the various family streets were in between the buildings.

    The blog was very interesting, thanks for that Jenny. I do like the foliage growing in the high part of the wall on that building. ;)
     
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    It was from
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    pop Ryleys Gardens Liverpool in the search box and it will take you through to the right page. You then have to drill down to the street itself.
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Absolutely Brilliant Jan, thanks so much. It shows Ryley's Gardens clearly from Hackin's Hey -not from Tempest Hey as I first saw. Having had a closer look I can't help a titch of excitement that things -& people- are all coming together.
     
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    Yay! :D
     
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    I was actually on my way to look around Ryley's Gardens, site of, yesterday, as I was only a couple of minutes away. I know it's gone now but one never knows what one can find nosing around on foot. Unfortunately the heavens opened - and boy did it rain all afternoon, so another time perhaps.
     
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    What a super Lass, thanks for the thought Jennie. My head is now sorting around an email to Liverpool Library to see where I may find some type of record as to what housing & trades were there in 1812. Maybe nothing of the kind existed but 'no ask , no learn. :)
     
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    I looked at this thread a few days ago and if I remember rightly googling Ryleys Gardens and dates brought up some lancs opc baptism records. 1776 was the earliest as I remember. I forgot to jot any of it down, sorry, but someone did live there then.
     
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    Bless you Lass, In the enlarged map which Jan showed the street is obvioulsly longer than implied in more recent ones & looking online there a buildings all along it so someone must have been there.
    The lass who would have been my 2nd Gt. Gt. Aunt Jane Pendlebury is listed at that address on her Baptism- Church records St. Nicholas & burial 30 June 1812 OPC Liverpool, who oddly do not have her 28 Apr. 1811 Baptism. Others were Baptised when the family still lived in Tithebarn St.
    One child survived infancy happily or I would not be here asking these questions.
     
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    It was a Mary Darcey, daughter of Daniel Darcey sail maker. Oct 1776 St Nicholas Abode Riley's Garden
     
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