Philip Howse - Oxfordshire

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  1. Kirsty Catalano

    Kirsty Catalano Active Member

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    Hi,

    I am new to this forum but I'm wondering if someone could help me confirm a birth and death of a relative of my husbands.

    The Howse family lived for some generations in various parts of Oxfordshire before leaving for Australia around the mid 1800's.

    I'm searching for confirmation of the birth of Philip Howse who was born around 1833 in Coombe, Oxfordshire, England (family notes, no real confirmation). He had a son Francis who is the direct ancestor for my husband's family. Francis was born in Headington in October 1868. Philip married a lady named Elizabeth Penny (or Herbert). She had a daughter from a previous relationship named Kate Penny. Philip called Kate his step daughter. Confirmation of their marriage would be fantastic too.

    I would be grateful for any assistance. If this isn't the right forum, please feel free to lead me in the right direction!

    Thanks so much.

    Kirsty
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Hi Kirsty, welcome in.
    If you have a subscription with either Ancestry or FindmyPast you'll fid the 1881 census a help.

    If not go to https://familysearch.org
    There you'll find freely the 1881 census showing:
    1881 no.8 Princes St. Cowley,oxfordshire.
    Philip Howse 48,+ Elizabeth Howse 40- formerly Penny as suggested by this site. (marriage 1873
    Edwin Howse 16, Kate Penney 14 step dtr., Francis Howse 12, Arthur Howse 6, Rose Howes 4,Harley Howse 3, Florence Howse 1.
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    Philip Howse b.1832
    death 2nd Dec.
    Age 52 Dec. 1/4 1884
    HEADINGTON,Oxfordshire
    3A-452

    There may well be more to find. His probate entry in 1885 2nd Jan. is on Ancestry. You can see this & other records for a short sub outlay.



    possible?
    Name: Philip Howes
    b. 17 Jun 1831. Baptised: 26 Jul 1831 - Saint Michaels-Wesleyan,Oxford,Oxford,England
    Pts Philip Howes & Rose Green.
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    1841 Long Combe
    Philip Howes 40, Rose Howes 40
    Elizabeth Howes 15,Ann Howes 10, Edean Howes 10, Philip Howes 9, Emanuel Howes 6, Sarah Howes 1
     
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    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    Only two kind here Wendy...the quick or the dead:rolleyes:
    Welcome Kirsty. We are a great mob here.
    All of the above plus a marriage of Philip Howse/Elizabeth Penny
    Sep qtr 1873 Headington Oxfordshire
    Vol 3A
    Page 915
    Line 88....Family Search.

    1871 census .
    St Clement, Parish Cowley Oxfordshire
    Philip House, self, 37 Born Coombe
    Mary House, wife, 36 born Eynsham
    Mary Ann House 11 Oxfordshire
    Edwin 6 ditto
    Kate 5 ditto
    Francis 2 ditto
     
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    Could Elizabeth have been Elizabeth HEDGES. I found that on another tree.
     
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    Hi and welcome to Top Dog Kirsty :)
     
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    Thank you! I had found the 1881 Census Record and I do believe this is his family. He was a carpenter and the names of his children match what I have been given.

    Can I ask where you found the possible death record? I couldn't find anything on Ancestry.com.au but I must admit I haven't had a chance to look anywhere else.

    Thanks so much for your help!

    Kirsty

     
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    I don't think this is his family as the childrens names are not known to us. Thank you!
     
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    Wow, gosh you guys are quick!

    I am not sure who his parents are - it would be great to find out! I've seen many names for his wife Elizabeth. Herbert/Penny/Howse and also maiden names changed from Mary Martha to Elizabeth. Notations on her children's death certificates indicate they knew her as Elizabeth.
     
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    I also found that death on Family search
     
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    Here also
    http://www. freebmd.org.uk

    Check Ancestry for Philip's probate. Everything to his wife Elizabeth, widow-relict- as sole executrix.
    marriages Dec 1857
    Herbert Mary Witney 3a-1065
    Howse Philip Witney 3a-1065
    ......................
    Deaths Sep 1872
    HOWSE Mary 38 Headington 3a-392
    ;...............................
    re the 1841 census with Philip & his siblings. Do you actually know some of their names? (Aunts & Uncles to Francis),- but not his parents.?
     
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    That's where the confusion comes in......1st wife was Mary Herbert...2nd was Elizabeth Penney that he married in 1873, one year after Mary's demise.
     
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    You have solved the mystery! Gosh I love it when that happens! This has only just occurred to me too - makes perfect sense! His son Francis (husband's direct ancestor) named Elizabeth as his mother on his death certificate but his birth certificate states a Mary Martha Herbert (through family research, no documentation to prove it).

    Yay!!
     
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    Thank you for your help! I think we've solved the mystery!! I found Philip's probate however, I had not seen the marriage records. We've have only been able to go back as far as Philip and his family - no parents confirmed unfortunately! So thank you!! :)
     
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    Huncamunca The Knowledgeable One

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    Hi Kirsty and welcome to the forum

    Philip's marriage certificates - or copies of church records, if he married in church - should give his father's name and occupation.

    As the 1857 marriage was in the Witney registration district, I may be able to find details in Oxfordshire FHS parish register transcripts at Witney library when I'm next there (probably tomorrow). There were numerous parishes in the Witney registration district, but I'll start with Eynsham since that is given as Mary's birthplace on the 1871 census.
     
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    Oh My goodness, that would be awesome! Thank you so much! Is there a fee involved in you doing this for me?
     
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    Sorry, I just realised that this could possibly be Philip's parents - apologies for the error! You guys are so fast, I am trying to keep up!
     
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    Huncamunca The Knowledgeable One

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    Ooh no, we are genealogy addicts here on Top Dog and happy to help when we can. I can't guarantee I'll find the marriage at the library, but will have a go!

    Oxfordshire parish registers are being digitised, so eventually we will be able to see them online somewhere (I don't know how long we will have to wait). That will be so exciting: up till now, Oxfordshire has been very poorly covered by online indexes/transcripts.
     
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    I'm still searching for a John Penney marriage :(
    I would love to know Elizabeth's maiden name.
    See, we even get addicted to other peoples ancestors.
     
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    Thank you so much! I'm so used to paying for this sort of stuff, I'm very appreciative of what you guys are doing! :)
     
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