Police, Knighton, Radnorshire.

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  1. Flook

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    Actual Reference is
    HO107 piece 2493 folio 127 page 36

    Joseph Constance, 34, Police Officer, born Gloster
    Ann Constance, 38, born Monmouth
    Alfred Constance , 14, born Monmouth
    Ellen Constance, 12, born Monmouth
    Agnes Constance , 10, born Hereford
    Henry Constance , 8, born Hereford
    Eliza Constance , 5, born Hereford
    Ann Constance , 3, born Knighton
     
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    Thank you both very very much indeed. I still don't know how you did it but brilliant anyway.:)
     
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  3. Flook

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    The surname VERDON is correct>

    Actual ref is
    HO107 Piece 1455 folio 6/28 page 22

    Henry Verdon, 28, Police Officer, Not born in County
    Frances Verdon, 29, Not born in County
    Henry Verdon, 3, Not born in County
    Frances Verdon, 3 months, Born in County
     
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    John Newman, 33, Police sergeant, born Gloucester
    Charlotte Newman, 33, born Gloucester
     
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    Thomas Pugh, 28, Police Constable RCC, born
    Cwmdauddwr, Radnorshire
    Ann Pugh, 31, born Cwmdauddwr, Radnorshire
    Thomas Pugh,1, born Knighton
     
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    Joseph Normington, 29, Police Constable, born Trowbridge, Wilts
    Catharine Normington, 27, born Blaina, Mon
    Rhoda Normington, 5, born Blaina, Mon
    William Normington, 1, born Knighton, Radnorshire
     
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    William Bufton, 41, Sergeant of Police, born Nanhuel (?), Radnorshire
    Ada Gertrude Bufton, 35, (married 1 year, no children), born Presteign, Radnorshire
     
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    Found another one for 1901, living at Number 1 police Terrace, Knighton (RG13, piece 5183, folio 91, page 2):

    Lewis LEWIS, Mar, 27, Police Officer, b Talgarth, Brecon
    Annie LEWIS, Wife, 24, b Talgarth, Brecon
    John LEWIS, son, 3, b Rhayader, Rad
    Mabel I LEWIS, dau, 2, b Knighton, Rad
    Gladys L Lewis, dau, 5 months, b Knighton, Rad
     
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    Thank you for filling in the extra info Flook, That has been very kind of you.
     
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    Ah Lewis Lewis was a policeman in Llangunllo which is about 5 miles from town. The census says Knighton as it is in the Knighton catchment area.

    Thank you too Jan, you have been very kind.
     
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    Matthew Edwards, 58, General Labourer, born
    Bucknell, Salop
    Mary Edwards, 48, (married 5 years, 3 children of whom 2 have died), Assistant, born Dearfold(?), Hereford
    Norah Keeley, 18, daughter, single, Assistant, born Llangunllo(?), Radnorshire
    William Aspley, single, boarder, 25, Police Constable, born Bucknell, Salop
     
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    Unless someone comes by and fills in the gaps from the census references that I posted for 1901, I will do so tomorrow evening/Wednesday. :)
     
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  13. Huncamunca

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    To fill some of the gaps between the census years, you could try the parish register. I see, for example, that there is a baptism at Knighton in 1841 for a child of Henry Verdon, police officer.

    NB this was before the formation of the Radnorshire Constabulary and too early for him to be a 'Superintending Constable', so he may have been appointed by the parish. 'The Watching and Lighting Act of 1833 had provided for the payment of constables, who were still to be appointed on a parochial basis' (from F.C. Mather, Public Order in the age of the Chartists, online via Google Books).

    Also, don't forget the newspapers! Welsh Newspapers Online gives loads of matches if you search for Knighton AND police. Too many really: you will have to experiment to find the most useful search terms to find the sort of articles you want. You could try some of the names that have been found on the censuses too (try rank + surname as well as full name). Here's just one example, from the Montgomeryshire Express and Radnor Times of 28 July 1896:

    'KNIGHTON
    POLICE INSPECTION. - On Tuesday, Captain Parry visited the Knighton Police Station. The men, under Inspector Rogers, were inspected as well as the books and cells. The Chief-constable (Mr J.E. Lloyd) was also present.'

    Finally, you could try getting hold of a book by W.C. Maddox, A history of the Radnorshire Constabulary (1981).
     
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    Huncamunca The Knowledgeable One

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    My 'finally' was premature.

    David Rogers gave evidence at an 1866 trial involving some strange goings on at a pub in Knighton. The trial proceedings are reconstructed here from a newspaper account:

    http://www.
    judgeslodging.org.uk/resources/on_trial_the_case_of_the_stolen_ducks/

    I like the judge's question, 'Is it usual to play cards for ducks in Radnorshire?'
     
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    Funny lot in Knighton.......

    I loved the account of the trial which Huncamunca found and whilst looking at some of the many, many mentions of the police at Knighton, this little piece caught my eye.

    Hereford Times 3rd March 1934
    At the Knighton Police Court on Wednesday, Police Sergeant Lewis Morris charged himself with having his chimney on fire on February 6th. It was very amusing to hear the Sergeant conduct the prosecution and defence, and the case caused considerable laughter. After stating the evidence briefly, P. S. Morris said he reported the matter to the Chief Constable in the usual way, and was ordered to take out a summons against himself. There were no previous convictions, and he had never been cautioned (laughter). The Chairman (to the Chief Constable): Don't you generally caution people in these cases? The Chief Constable: We generally give warning, but this was so serious a matter that we had to take notice of it (renewed laughter). Mr Dilwyn Jones suggested that in case their worships imposed a fine they should allow the defendant time to pay (laughter). The case was dismissed, also was a similar summons against William John Edwards, Bridge Street, Knighton.

    Ann
     
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    You can say that again. Mad as a box of frogs :D
     
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    Thank you very much Huncamunca and Ann. Brilliant finds. {-(^^)-}
     

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