Previous service ?

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  1. Chimp

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    Derrick Gordon Masters
    Rank: Pilot Officer, 143873
    Unit: 488, Royal New Zealand Air Force
    Regiment: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve


    The London Gazette
    Publication date:28 May 1943
    Supplement:36036
    Page:2511

    Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    1576813 Derrick Gordon MASTERS (143873). 7th Mar. 1943.


    So Derrick joined the Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve on 7th March.

    I take it 1576813 was a previous service number. Is there a way to find out more about Derrick under the service No. 1576813.

    He was killed on 2nd June 1943 whilst on a training mission in Ayr, his plane Beaufighter VIF X8263 flew into the side of a mountain.
     
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    I think this is the only way to find out - but it will cost you £30. Usually such records are only available with permission of the next of kin, but as this chap died over 25 years ago, I think anyone would would be able to obtain a copy of his records. That is, of course, if there are any records for him.

    This is taken from the Royal Air Force Personnel section of The National Archives.

    Royal Air Force Personnel
    3.2 Airmen (not officers) after 1939

    Records of RAF airmen who served after 1939, and of men whose service numbers were above 562875 are still with the RAF. Look on the GOV.UK website to find out how to obtain service records.
    It can be useful to know his service number. If you do not know his number, browse through the name indexes in AIR 78 to find it.
     
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    I doubt very much that I'll be spending £30 on getting his records. It's only for the fallen in WW2 for my site. I've already bought more certificates than I had planned to.

    Thank you for taking the time to look for me @AnnB
     
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    AnnB Editor in Chief who is Hot off the Press!

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    I didn’t think you would Terry, you and I know how easy it is to get carried away with ‘off piste’ (to coin a familier phrase) research :rolleyes:
     
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    Erroll on rafcommandsDOTcom gives a different date:
    "Fri 2 Apr 1943
    FIGHTER COMMAND
    Training
    488 Squadron, RNZAF (Ayr, Ayrshire - 13 Group)
    Beaufighter VIF X8263 - took off at 1455 but in very poor visibility flew into the top of a hill at Balig Farm, 3 miles south of Ayr a few minutes later. The two crew are buried at Knighton, Radnorshire, Wales, the home town of the navigator, Plt Off D G Masters, RAF.
    Pilot: NZ414327 Plt Off Rupert Clark O’GARA, RNZAF - Age 23. 413hrs (about 100 on Beaufighter)".

    The April date is here as well

    Code:
    http://www.aucklandmuseum.com/war-memorial/online-cenotaph/record/C30282
    If the April date is right it would have been only 3 weeks since he joined the RAFVR. If he was the navigator he must have had more than 3 weeks training. That's a mystery.
     
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    Given his age (born 1921) I wonder if he'd been at university and did his RAF navigator training there. He must have done it somewhere as it's not something you can learn in a few weeks. That would account for his not having joined the RAFVR beforehand.
     
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    Yes, you are right, it was 2nd April. I've not been at my best this week, I'm full of cold.
     
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    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    I wish it was, but this one has hit hard. Started on Monday when my lungs felt like they were full of pepper. I of course went into work every day. Well if 2 broken toes and a cracked rib didn't stop me going to work, a cold won't.
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Lungs need more care than a toe or a rib most times. !
     
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