Query Bride's Surname

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    The bride mentioned here is usually known by a different surname - 'Severne'.
    Ancestry has it as it appears to be written, I'm not sure if it was changed later as people couldn't pronounce it or just a weird way the original writer did so. I try to list original entries in my Legacy as well as aka names as they occur.
    Any opinions please? Also on her Parish was 'Union of Cresne' part of Barking All Hallows?

    Name: John Brackelbank
    Record Type: Marriage
    Marriage Date: 14 Jun 1713
    Marriage Place: All Hallows, Barking By the Tower, City of London, England
    Spouse: Mary Seauarn

    1713 marr...JPG
     
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    Soauarn:headbang:
     
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    Thanks Sue, I guess it was a pronunciation thing eh? Perhaps a name of French origin or similar.
    I do think tho', that the 2nd letter is an 'e', as they did back then.
    Sorry for the delayed response, had to go get his brekky.
     
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    The more I look at that name the more I feel that the ‘u’ could be a ‘v’. I know it looks the least like one but could be.
     
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    It looks like Soauarn to me too. Agree it could be pronunciation.

    1713 marr...JPG
     
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    I read it as Widow of Creonce (but not convinced on the 'ce')

    Agree Mary Soauarn
     
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    Widow works for me too now that it’s been pointed out.
     
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    Creon is a commune in the south of France. What do you think?
     
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    Oops, missed the second query. Do you think it could be Widow by Licence. The images below are from the same page, different marriages of course.

    widow2.jpg licence.jpg
     
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    @Sis - I think you have got it sorted :).
     
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    I think it may be Vidua by Licence. Vidua is Latin for Widow, apparently.
    So if he did his capital V's like a U, then the bride's surname could be written as Seavarn.
     
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    By George I think she’s done it. 8(:-)
     
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    FMP has an entry from "Faculty Office Marriage Licences"

    John Brockelbanck and Mary Severne - Licence date 12/6/1713
     
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    I just found a modern person named Louarian??? Probably irrelevant- but odd!
     
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    If that’s a V for Latin widow then it’s must be a v in her surname. So Severne or something close as @Sis has pointed out.
     
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    Team effort.:)
     
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    Anything seems to go these days. Oh dear, sounding rather old, aren't I.:D
     
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    By Jove, @Sis or what ever, adds up. So well done you Lass, 'The Licence date 12/6/1713' found by Molly May with "Faculty Office Marriage Licences" seems to prove so. unless that ins a transcription also.
    I think this has answeredthe question of where all others found 'Severne'. Thanks you all so much. Cannot use excuse of spectacles for my error 'vidua' nothing like 'Union of'. but that's about what my eyes saw. Opting for sleep tonight, even if I have to move somewhere to accomplish such :)
     
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    Sweet dreams Wendy :)
     
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    I was on a roll @Ma-dotcom . Doesn't happen very often these days.:rolleyes::D
     
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