Radnorshire Baptisms etc.

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    Given that in 2 previous threads on this particular forum in Oct 2018 I got lotsa help, I wonder if I am pushing my luck in attempting to go back further on John Evans who was married to Ann Whilding 3 Apr. 1833 in St. Harmon, Radnorshire [after Banns].

    There are a few trees that I've seen that indicate that John Evans was aged 80 when he died in Nantyfeen in 1892. I've been following this guy and think he could well be my John Evans. To support this feeling I have the 1891 census - RG12/4584/ 5/4 - which shows him as a a 79 year old farmer with wife Mary age 76. Mary was his 2nd wife.
    The GRO reference for the death in Rhayder is J q. 1892 vol. 11B page 115.

    I am aware that John and his 1st wife, Ann, had a son Thomas [who married a Mary Jones in 1872] and in 1891 was residing with his wife and 6 children - RG12/4584/68/10 - and was a farmer. It is to him that I believe Probate of the estate of John Evans was processed 13 Jun. 1892.

    One tree seems to infer that John was born or baptised 22 Apr. 1812 in Cwnstydwr [sic], Abbeycwmhir to parents John and Mary. 1841 census- H0107/1458/4/11/16 - shows a John Evans age 60 with wife Mary age 50 - occupation farmer living. I then found a John Evans in 1851 - H0107/2494/32/12 - age 75 [farmer] with wife Mary age 66.

    I could not find a John and Mary Evans fitting this couple in 1861 so I believe they were deceased by 1861.

    Looking at the John Evans age 75 in 1851 gives us an indicated birth year of 1777c.
    I have 2 possibles from the GRO deaths:
    J q. 1855 - age 72 - 11B page 740
    S q. 1856 - age 79 - 11B page 120
    The one in 1856 matches the indicated birth year.

    Looking at the Mary Evans age 66 in 1851 gives us indicated birth year of 1785c.
    I have 2 possibles from GRO deaths:
    J q. 1853 - age 69 - 11B page 145 - indicated birth year c. 1784
    M q. 1860 - age 74 - 11B page 161 - indicated birth year 1786

    The same tree that shows John's birth or baptism in 1812 indicates his parents were John Evans [born 1777] and Mary Evans [born 1791].

    My view of the 1841 census indicates that John was born in Radnorshire but that Mary was not.
    In 1851 census both are supposedly born in St. Harmon.
     
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    I am also looking for 2 baptisms in St. Harmon to parents John and Ann Evans [nee Whilding or Whildin]
    Ann - c. 1833
    Jane - c. 1835

    Ann was with her parents in 1841 [H0107/1455/1/11/15] and 1851 [H0107/2494/15/6] but then she disappears.
    Jane was with her parents - see above - but I think found in 1861 census [RG9/166/97/26] a servant for the Wyatt family. She married Thomas Digby Fanning 16 Mar. 1865 @ St. George Bloomsbury, Camden
     
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    One more query - John Evans [born 1847] - with parents in 1851 [see post #2] and 1861 [RG9/4237/4/7] as a 13 year old farmer's son. The only one that I can find to fit is the John Evans [age 25 - Labourer] with wife Margaret [age 24] and 3 children.

    Looking at the GRO the 3 children are indicated with a MMN - POWELL but the marriage of a Margaret POWELL vol. 11B page 294 J q. 1868 has no spouse. I have viewed the Index which indicates a John EVANS is on the same vol. and page #. Can I accept that this has been missed as part of the transcription from the records?
     
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    If I am correct that the marriage in 1868 was between John Evans and Margaret Powell, then by the time of the
    1871 census - RG10/5599/33/22 - 3 children at home Margaret, John and Richard.
    1881 census - RG11/5475/9/12 - 7 children at home Margaret, John, Thomas, Edmund, Benjamin, Edward and Mary Elizabeth.
    1891 census - RG12/4584/5/3/ - 5 children at home Mary Elizabeth, Phineas, Miriam, Jane and Henry.
    1901 census the only child at home was Henry.
    1911 census John and Mary were now living with their son Thomas [widowed] and daughter Jane. It is noted on the schedule that they had been married 45 years and had 12 children - 11 still living.

    As can be noted there are a total of 12 children named to the 3 census records. From the GRO I have the following births - Margaret, John, Richard, Edmund, Benjamin, Edward, Phineas, Mary Elizabeth, Sarah Jane and Henry. This accounts for 11
    From the GRO there was a birth in Rhayader J q. 1873 for a Thomas Lewis Evans but the MMN was Williams not Powell.

    I have been unable to source birth registrations for Thomas. I am confident that Thomas was definitely born as he appears in 1881 census, was working as a servant with brother Benjamin in 1891 for Abraham Powell and family. I have found him in 1901 with a wife Jane and by 1911 he was a widower.

    As for the one who died I think it was the son John born 1869. I have not found him with certainty in 1891 but there was a death in Rhayader in J.q. 1901 of a man age 32 and this could well be him.
     

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