Richard Banastre Crosse

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  1. euryalus

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    Richard Banastre Crosse (1888-1970) was born at Macclesfield in Cheshire in 1880, and educated at Bilton Grange Preparatory School, Rugby School and the Royal Military College, Sandhurst. He was commissioned into the Oxfordshire Light Infantry in 1906, two years before it became the Oxfordshire & Buckinghamshire Light Infantry. He was seconded to the Government of Northern Ireland in an intelligence role in 1922 and, having retired from the army in 1923, he then joined the Ulster Special Constabulary. He died in at Crewe on 10 May 1970. I have been sent a short article on Lt-Col Crosse for use in Bugle & Sabre, the journal of the Friends of the Oxfordshire & Buckinghamshire Light Infantry. However, it contains no family details whatsoever, and as I no longer have access to Ancestry I am unable to add much to the Ms. (which concentrates on his military career). I wonder if anyone would be kind enough to look up just a few basic details of his early life in Cheshire? App0001 - Copy.JPG
     
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    Not much, and I expect you already have these details but there is a bit at http://lib.
    militaryarchive.co.uk/library/Biographical/library/The-VC-and-DSO-Volume-II/files/assets/basic-html/page339.html

    His father, Robert Legh Crosse, had a short obit. in the Manchester Courier for the 4th July 1907 -
    Captain Robert Legh Crosse, who died at his residence, 36, Park-avenue, Southport., yesterday afternoon, following an apoplectio seizure, was the youngest son of Mr. Thomas Bright Crosse, D.L., of Shaw Hill, Whittle-le-Woods, who served in the office of High Sheriff in 1837, and was M.P. for Wigan 1841-2. Captain Crosse, who leaves a widow and two sons, was placed on the Commission of the Peace for the county 1891, regularly attended the Chorley Police Court, and also took a keen interest in the affairs of the Chorley Rural Sanitary Authority.

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    Richard's brother would appear to have been Charles Legh Crosse born 16th July 1893 - FamilySearch
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    When Charles died in 1932, Richard Banestre Crosse (retired Lieut col H. M. Army) was granted administration to his estate.

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    Thank you - that appears to be the right family, and I can now add a little more family history to the article.
     
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    1891 census RG12/3426/121/8/ living at Charnock House, Charnock Green, Chorley, Lancashire

    Robert L Crosse age 49 b Whittle Woods Lancashire - living on own means
    Mary Crosse wife age 38 b Prestbury Cheshire
    Richard B Crosse age 2 b Rostherne Cheshire

    5 servants are also listed in the household

    1901 census RG13/2915/119/2 - see a 12 year old Richard at school

    Robert Leigh Crosse was born 1842 Chorley Lancs. & died 1907 in Ormskirk Lancs.

    I do not see an adult Robert Leigh Cross on any previous census nor can I see the marriage to Mary - perhaps he married her abroad.
    There is a likely candidate on the 1851 census (Robert L Cross) a 9 year old pupil at school born Chorley Lancs. HO107/2191/434/14 - Crosby Road, Litherland, West Derby, Lancs.
     
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    Here's something you may find interesting, although not directly about Richard, it is a very important part of his ancestry

    Leeds Intelligencer 25th December 1828
    Whitehall, November 19, 1828.—The King has been pleased to give and grant unto Thomas Bright Ikin, of Leventhorp-house, in the West-riding of the county of York, Esq. and to Anne-Mary his wife, second daughter of the late Richard Legh, heretofore Richard Crosse, Adlington, in the county Chester, and Shaw-hill, in the county Lancaster, Esq. deceased, his Royal licence and authority, that they may henceforth take, assume, and bear the surname Crosse only; that the said Thomas Bright Ikin may bear the arms of Crosse only; and that such surname of Crosse, and the arms of Crosse may in like manner be taken, assumed and borne by the issue of their marriage, in compliance with a clause contained in the last will and testament of the said Richard Legh: such arms being first duly exemplified according lo the laws of arms, and recorded in the Heralds' Office, otherwise the said licence and permission to be void and of none effect: And also to command, that this his Majesty's concession and declaration be registered in his College of Arms.

    So, the male line was originally Ikin. There is an explanation as the the whys and wherefores in the Wiki article at http://
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaw_Hill

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    I have a Kelly’s handbook to the titled and landed and official classes 1907 with a a a stuck in book plate, maybe this copy belonged to him.
     

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    It looks as if Richard Banestre CROSSE was baptised at Marthall, Cheshire on 28 June 1888, parents Robert Legh & Mary CROSSE - source FMP Births & Baptisms.

    FMP also have some Electoral Registers of Cheshire online and from 1885-1890, Robert Leigh CROSSE was living at Snelson House, Snelson, Siddington, Knutsford, Cheshire.

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    Mention of a Robert Leigh CROSSE attending the Assembly Ball at Grosvenor House in the Cheshire Observer dated 8 January 1870. Another mention of Robert Legh CROSSE, gent., in the Homeward Mail (India, China & the Middle East) dated 27 June 1861. He was promoted to Ensign (by purchase) in the 42nd Foot which was either serving or going to India. A further mention for him in the Homeward Mail dated 28 November 1864 where he was promoted from Ensign to Lieutenant in the 52nd Foot (without purchase). It looks as if he was promoted to Captain in January 1868 and retired from the 52 Foot in December 1868.

    Robert Legh CROSSE, Esq, subscribed £2 10s to the Stafford House Committee for the Relief of Sick and Wounded Turkish Soldiers - Morning Post 5 October 1877 but could he have been in Warwickshire c1880 as he is named as one of the Executors to the Will of Elizabeth JOHNSON, widow, of Bertie Terrace, Milverton - Leamington Spa Courier dated 7 February 1880.

    According to the Lancashire Evening Post dated 29 December 1890, Robert Legh CROSSE, Esq, was appointed Magistrate for Chorley. He was definitely in Southport in 1895 as he was named as one of the Executors to the Will of Captain Robert Townley PARKER, late of Middlesex.

    Further to the information Ann has given you in post 2 re his obituary, he was also apparently the uncle of Lady THURSBY, being her father's brother - Burnley Express dated 6 July 1907.

    A bit more background information for you re Richard's father!

    Janet
     

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