Robert Dowe of Toft Monks

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  1. Flook

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    I don't know if this is relevant but there is a baptism further down the page:

    Robert, son of James and Susan Goldsmith, of Toft Monks, father's occupation - labourer, baptised Toft Monks 16th July 1815. (We call dream up scenarios ;))....
     
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    Now this is really interesting. I was checking whether Goldspink was just a misspelling of Goldsmith. But no, there are Goldspink's around in south Norfolk (e.g. in Redenhall).

    Then I thought what about a Mary Goldspink and up came a baptism in St Giles Parish in Norwich>

    November 7th 1794: Mary daughter of John and Mary Goldspink/late Chettleburgh, spinster, was born November 3rd.

    Then I remembered MollyMay's find above. This could get complicated!

    [N.B. There is a burial of a Mary Goldspink in Toft Monks, 25 July 1816, aged 68]
     
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    Now, 1794 fits very nicely, with Mary's 1851 census, and the death I think is hers. Though she claims Toft as her birthplace in 1851, perhaps this was an assumption, either by her or her sons.
     
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    Marriage in the parish of St Gregory, Norwich. 27th January 1794.

    John Goldspink, single man, a Private in the East Norfolk Militia married Mary Chettleborough, spinster. Both of this parish. Both signed with their marks.
    Witnesses Henry Bolton (signed), Frances Spanton ('her mark') and Harper Leddelow* (signed).

    * probably a parish official.
     
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    I have a feeling that it would be useful to get the Death certificate of Elizabeth Chittleburgh with whom Sophia was living in 1841. I think her death is June 1845, Wangford RD, 13/399. It might show the relationship of Sophia and Elizabeth and also if Elizabeth was a widow.

    If she was a widow then there are 2 baptisms which fit rather nicely with the information in posts 42 & 44. They are in Topcroft, Norfolk, which is in the general area we’ve already been looking at.

    Children of Robert and Elizabeth Chittleburgh (this may not be a complete list).

    1. Mary, baptised 29th July 1770.
    2. John, baptised 25th (26th?) May 1773.

    Mary could be the Mary of Posts 42 & 44.

    John. Well he married Elizabeth Garner of St Giles Parish, Norwich on 28th October 1793**. John was from Great Melton parish and they married by licence. This could be the Elizabeth of the 1841 census.

    All rather speculative but Elizabeth might be the key to making things a bit clearer.

    ** see post 42
     
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    Can some kind person look up details of Sophia's probate? Died 9 Apr 1899, ? Suffolk, England

    I found a burial for her in Gillingham, Norfolk on 15 Apr. This is where her brothers George and James were farming. Though James later became a tailor. Possibly she was buried with George who died 1883.
     
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    Also probate for Henry Dowe, died 22 Jan 1891.

    Thanks
     
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    Sophia Dowe of Ringsfield Suffolk spinster died 9th April 1899 Probate Ipswich 22nd August to James Dowe gentleman Daniel Dowe retired farmer and Robert West Snell solicitor's clerk Effects £408 15s

    Henry Dowe otherwise Goldsmith see Goldsmith
    Personal Estate £112 2s 10d
    12th August The will of Henry Goldsmith otherwise Dowe late of Ringsfield in the County of Suffolk farmer who died 22nd January 1891 at Ringsfield was proved at Ipswich by Philip Dowe farmer and Sophia Dowe spinster both of Ringsfield and James Dowe of Beccles in the said county retired Tailor the Executors.
     
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    Ooh I like the Henry one:D Flook is definitely on the right lines8(:-)
     
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    Just what I was thinking MM......:D
     
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    Would probate for Sarah Ann Dowe died (December?) 1900, be forthcoming? She was last living in Ringsfield Suffolk.

    Thank you :)
     
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    I shouldn't really write this as the thought is rather an idle one, but I wonder if Goldspink morphed into Goldsmith in the children's memory over time because it's a more familiar version of a similar name.
     
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    No, I don't think so, for example the James and Susan of the baptisms you found have baptisms under both names
     
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    Sarah Ann :-
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    FMP has the burial of Sarah Ann Dowe in Gillingham, Norfolk, 5 January 1901.

    Ancestry has the image. Sarah Ann was 67 and her 'abode' was Beccles.
     
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    Thank you both very much :)
     
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    Just realised I don't seem to have Elizabeth in 1841. She is probably with her parents in Gorleston and I just forgot to add it to my Ancestry tree :rolleyes:
     
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    1841: Fenn Street, Gorleston [HO107/1029/12/52/20]

    Robert Dow, 40, Roadman, Not born in County
    (Ditto) Dow, 21, Bricklayer, Not born in County
    Mary Dow, 45, Not born in County
    Philip Dow, 15, Labourer, Not born in County
    James Dow, 15, Labourer, Not born in County
    George, 10, Labourer, Not born in County
    Daniel Dow, 10, Labourer, Not born in County
    Sarah Dow 5, Not born in County
    Elizabeth Dow, 5, Not born in County

    I've put Robert the Bricklayer in brackets as this is how it's written and placed in the list.
     
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    Of course, thank you Flook ;)

    While we are on Elizabeth, I've got hints coming up for a probate Elizabeth Hammond died 21 Oct 1889 Suffolk, and a burial in Norfolk (I'll guess Gillingham). Any chance of a look-up for these?
     

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