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    Can anyone find:
    Charles William Silverthorpe, baptised St Chad, Rochdale, Lancs 19/7/1815
    George Silverthorpe St Chad Rochdale, Lancs 10/9/1816 (he suspiciously may be my man)
    Robert Silverthorpe is fine as he died early.

    Father is Charles Ferdinand Silverthorpe, mother Ann. He was a National School Master.
    With a second name of Ferdinand I have a suspicion that he may have been born ‘abroad’
     
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    I see that the children were baptised at St. Chads, Rochdale. Could this be one of yours?

    Eliza Silverthorpe
    Christening Date: 11 SEP 1822, SAINT MICHAEL-LE-BELFRY,YORK,YORK,ENGLAND

    Father's Name: Charles Ferdinand Silverthorpe
    Mother's Nam: Ann


    Burial: 3 Aug 1837 St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
    Eliza Silverthorpe -
    Age: 15
    Abode: Wardleworth Workhouse
    Buried by: W. Ibbotson, Curate
    Register: Burials 1837 - 1843, Page 79, Entry 625
    Source: LDS Family Search
     
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    There can't be to many people with a name like that. Did they move around a lot?

    Found this one too.

    Henry Thomas Silverthorp
    Residence Place: West Wickham, Kent, England
    Christening Date: 05 SEP 1824, WEST WICKHAM, KENT, ENG
    Father's Name: Charles Ferdinand Silverthorp
    Mother's Name: Anne
     
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    I think I may have him
    In the notes made by my new contact he has Mansfield Silverthorpe born 19/7/1815 in York....this according to other sources.
    However, Charles William Silverthorpe was baptised at Chad on 19/7/1815 according to Lancashire OPC.........same date.
    What do you think?
     
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    I think I have rule Henry out as I believe he turned up elsewhere. It’s the one baptised on 19/7/1815 that is suspicious.
     
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    FS have a different christening date?

    Strike that. The date you have given 19/7/1815, was his birth date.

    Charles William Silverthorpe
    Residence Place: Rochdale, Lancashire, England
    Christening Date: 10 Feb 1818, Rochdale, Lancaster, England
    Father's Name: Charles Ferdinand Silverthorpe
    Mother's Name: Ann
     
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    Ok sorry, Lancs has the birth date of 1815, but it’s the same date as the birth date of Mansfield Silverthorpe. Coincidence? Or it’s him. One or the other.
     
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    This is why I was asking for help with the convict records of George Mansfield per Mangles 1840. It may tell me a bit more. But I can’t access them as they are only on subs unless I go to State Records here and it’s 40 out there today and I don’t have the energy or the time. Nor the inclination.
     
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    This probably has nothing to do with anything - but odd, all the same.
    London Courier 13th May 1825
    Charles Taylor, alias CHARLES FERDINAND SILVERTHORPE. A Reward of Five Guineas will be paid to any Person giving Information of the Birth and Legal Settlement of this Individual. He is believed to have been the Son of Mr Thomas Taylor, who was some time since a Stockbroker, and resided in New Ormond-street and Dolby-terrace, Bayswater. In 1813 he was Paymaster Sergeant in the 10th Hussars, and died about 16 Months since at West Wickham in Kent, aged about 37.—Apply Messrs. Spence and Desboreugh, Solicitors, 6, Size-lane.
     
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    Oh Ann. It has everything to do with everything. Thank you thank you thank you.
     
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    I have been all day trying to get some sense from this family.
    There is not one death of that name on freebmd.
    I don’t know how your info will help but it just might, somehow.
    They really were a strange lot. I knew from my contact that the father was supposed to have been a Hussar. Seems he’s been everything.
    I also read somewhere today that there is a family vault in West Wickham somewhere. I have had a look but can’t find it. Maybe I should look under the name of Taylor
     
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    Now that we now have a suspicion that the family name is Taylor, I’m wondering if Mansfield is the mother’s maiden name and he used that as his nom de plume
     
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    according tp Machester births and baptisms Charles Ferdinand was a national schoolmaster!
    Robert & George were twins b 10 sept 1816
     
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    One question.
    If Charles Taylor alias Charles Ferdinand Silverthorpe died 16 months since1813 then who are all these children being baptised until 1824?
     
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    Perhaps meaning he died in 1825?

     
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    That's the way I read it Wendy :)
     
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    The article appeared in the courier in 1825 therefore he must have been well dead before that date. It also appears that there was some question about his affairs and who he really was.
    What is meant by ‘legal settlement’?
     
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    Yes, silly me, but 16 months from May 1825 would still be in 1824.....

    I take it the 'legal settlement' refers to the Poor Law thingy where people had to gain settlement or come from a particular parish (ie be born there) in order to be able to live there. Although this usually applied to people who wanted to claim poor relief, there were times when others needed to prove where they came from. I suspect Charles whatever-his-name-was, was one such case. Maybe he had done something he shouldn't have done and they were trying to find out exactly who he was.......
     
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    Daughter Eliza died age 15 in Wardleworth workhouse and buried at St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire 3/8/1837.
    So was the family in the workhouse?
    Love some records...:(
    With all these baptisms at St Chads, I wonder if they were all in the workhouse.
    Would that explain their births in York but baptisms in Lancashire so they could enter that workhouse?
     
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