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    Success! Thank you; that's another of the glass-plate negatives I managed to create a photo out of.
     
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    Children (all have the mother's maiden name as PRICE)
    Ann, Llangunllo, 1858 (can't find a birth)
    Margaret, Llangunllo, 1859 J Quarter in KNIGHTON Volume 11B Page 196
    Edwin, Llangunllo, 1860 D Quarter in KNIGHTON Volume 11B Page 167
    Eliza (Liza), Llangunllo, 1862 D Quarter in KNIGHTON Volume 11B Page 167
    Mary, Llangunllo, 1866 (can't find a birth)
    Amos, Brandy House, 1868 J Quarter in KNIGHTON Volume 11B Page 181
    Martha, Brandy House, 1870 M Quarter in KNIGHTON Volume 11B Page 170
    James Henry, Brandy House, 1875 D Quarter in KNIGHTON Volume 11B Page 151

    If you don't have an Edwin in your tree, there is a death for an Edwin Evans in Knighton district in 1862. He is aged 1, but as the GRO don't put months he could be 1 year 11 months and 3 weeks for all we know.[/QUOTE]

    Further to this: from info on some old photos of my grandmother's, her maternal grandmother, Elizabeth Evans (b. 1837, d. 1911?) lived in/moved to Lucton, near Leominster, Herefordshire, where there are cousins Jack and Richard (Dick, who is pictured in First World War uniform, but was later killed by a bull - it was Herefordshire, after all!).
    There is also a cousin, Edith Mary (b. 1898, Lucton, Leominster?) and an aunt Margaret, who married William Joseph?
    Aunt Ann emigrated to Australia with her son, Arthur, but I can't find her married name.
    There is also an aunt Alice, and her daughter, May (married name, Simpson), but I suppose she could be from the paternal side of the family.
    Unfortunately, Evans is such a common name, especially in Wales, that I keep going off track.
     
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    This is a photograph of my grandmother (as a baby) with her grandmother (Evans). The legend on the back says they were living then in Lucton, nr Leominster, Herefordshire, and the photographer was 'T.H. Pryce -Art Photographer, 8 High Street, Kington' P1100092.JPG
     
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    ... and this is one of her grandmother standing in the door of a shop (in Lucton?). If anyone can tell me what it says on the sign over the door (apart from Evans!), I would be very grateful. There is also some writing at the bottom of the photo, but it is too faint to make out, even with tinkering. P1100093.JPG
     
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    Immediately underneath E EVANS is says "Grocer" but beyond that, I can't make it out. :(
     
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    The top line of the sign is E. Evans, then I wonder if below it says
    Grocer
    Greengrocer
    Tobacco

    It took me ages to see anything like writing at the bottom, and I might still have got a bit of the path instead. But after tweaking I thought I could possibly make out 'Common' - or is it a Welsh place name? Tweaked bit below:
    querycommon.jpg
     
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    I would agree with Grocer and Tobacco, but the middle bit isn't clear at all.
    There is quite a bit of writing at the bottom, clearer on the original, but still extremely faint.
     
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    There must have been more children, if it's the same family, as I have photos of Aunt Alice and her daughter, May, and Aunt Fan's daughter, Flo (Florence?).
    Aunt Fan's married name was Hull, and she also had 3 boys: Jim, Arthur and Teddy. Flo married Bert Bramhall.
    There is Aunt Ann, who had a son, Arthur, and who emigrated to Australia; I'll be adding photos of these people to the album I've started in Media.
    There is also another son, Walter, whose children were Dick, Jack and Esther Evans.
    Any help here would be much appreciated!
     
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    Ok, lets start one at a time. Who was Alice?
     
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    My grandmother's aunt, her mother, Mary Evans' sister, presumably. On the back of the photo, it says Mrs. Simpson (her married name?), and she had 2 daughters, May and Joan.
     
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    Do you have a married name for Alice? Any approximate dates?
     
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    See above!
     
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    Ah you must have edited it while I wasn't looking :D

    Do you know the Simpson family might have been living?
     
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    Crewe?
     
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    Ok, were they the ones living at 22 Stalbridge Road, Crewe in 1939. Alice's husband being Albert E Simpson? Alice being born 1882'ish
     
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    That could be right, I really don't know; I only have the photos with my grandmother's scrawl on the back. Her dress is more modern in the photo I've uploaded to my album, so that birth date seems about right.
    If those Simpsons had 2 daughters, May and Joan, it could be them.
     
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    22 Stalbridge Road , Crewe, Cheshire, England

    Albert E Simpson, b.18 Jun 1885, Plumber (Master0, Married
    Alice Simpson, b. 12 Jan 1882, Unpaid Domestic Duties, Married
    Alice M Simpson (Married a Green) b. 25 Nov 1911, Shop Assistant, Single
    Kathleen J Simpson (Married a York) b. 28 Jul 1917, Railway Clerk, Single

    Could Alice M be Alice May and Kathleen J be Kathleen Joan ?

    Ah yes they were.

    SIMPSON, ALICE MAY
    Mother's Maiden Name EVANS
    Birth 1912 M Quarter in NANTWICH Volume 08A Page 581

    SIMPSON, KATHLEEN JOAN
    Mother's Maiden Name EVANS
    Birth 1917 S Quarter in NANTWICH Volume 08A Page 462
     
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    Wow! Thank you; I have to go, now; we're an hour ahead of you, and I don't have a smartphone. I'll be on tomorrow to find out more.
     
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    1911 Census - 39 Buxton Avenue Crewe, Monks Coppenhall, Cheshire

    Albert Simpson, Head, Married, 29, 1882, Plumber, Crewe, Cheshire
    Alice Simpson, Wife, Married, 28, 1883, Lucton, Herefordshire

    They had been married under one year. They married in the December quarter 1910 in the Leominster R.D.

    A'ha found her, in 1891 she is with her grandparents.

    Grocers Shop, Lucton Village, Lucton, Leominster, Herefordshire, England

    John Evans, Head, Married, 56, 1835, Farm Labourer, Radnorshire
    Elizabeth Evans, Wife, Married, 51, 1840, Grocer Shop Keeper, Radnorshire
    Eva Evans, Daughter, 12, 1879, Scholar, Herefordshire
    Alice Evans, Granddaughter, 11, 1880, Scholar, Herefordshire

    1881 Census

    Lane Cottage, Staunton upon Arrow, Kington, Herefordshire, England
    John Evans, Head, Married, 51, 1830, Ag Labourer
    Elizabeth Evans, Wife, Married, 44, 1837, Llanbister, Radnorshire
    Amos Evans, Son, Single, 12, 1869, Knighton, Radnorshire
    Martha Evans, Daughter, Single, 11, 1870, Knighton, Radnorshire
    Fanny Evans, Daughter, Single, 9, 1872, Knighton, Radnorshire
    Eva Evans, Daughter, Single, 2, 1879, Byton, Herefordshire
    Alice Evans, Grand Daughter, Single, 1, 1880, Presteigne, Radnorshire

    The 1881 census says born Presteigne. Presteigne at this time came under the Knighton R.D.

    There are a couple of births in 1880 in the Knighton District for an Alice Evans.

    EVANS, ALICE
    Mother's maiden name ------ (usually means illegitimate)
    1880 S Quarter in KNIGHTON Volume 11B Page 151 Order

    EVANS, ALICE
    Mother's maiden name HARPER
    1880 S Quarter in KNIGHTON Volume 11B Page 152

    It seems that Alice was brought up by her grandparents. Was this because she was illegitimate ?

    Being brought up by her grandparents, the other younger children i.e Fanny and Eva would think of her as a sister and not a niece.
     
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    A few Baptism's and Birth Registrations

    Margaret's Baptism - 1859
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    Edwin's Baptism - 1860
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    EVANS, FANNY
    Mother's maiden name: PRICE
    Birth 1872 J Quarter in KNIGHTON Volume 11B Page 157

    Fanny's baptism - 1872
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    EVANS, EVA
    Mother's maiden name: PRICE
    Birth 1879 M Quarter in KINGTON Volume 06A Page 605
     
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