Discussion in 'Radnorshire' started by Paul Hamer, Jun 4, 2015.
Success! Thank you; that's another of the glass-plate negatives I managed to create a photo out of.
Children (all have the mother's maiden name as PRICE)
Ann, Llangunllo, 1858 (can't find a birth)
Margaret, Llangunllo, 1859 J Quarter in KNIGHTON Volume 11B Page 196
Edwin, Llangunllo, 1860 D Quarter in KNIGHTON Volume 11B Page 167
Eliza (Liza), Llangunllo, 1862 D Quarter in KNIGHTON Volume 11B Page 167
Mary, Llangunllo, 1866 (can't find a birth)
Amos, Brandy House, 1868 J Quarter in KNIGHTON Volume 11B Page 181
Martha, Brandy House, 1870 M Quarter in KNIGHTON Volume 11B Page 170
James Henry, Brandy House, 1875 D Quarter in KNIGHTON Volume 11B Page 151
If you don't have an Edwin in your tree, there is a death for an Edwin Evans in Knighton district in 1862. He is aged 1, but as the GRO don't put months he could be 1 year 11 months and 3 weeks for all we know.[/QUOTE]
Further to this: from info on some old photos of my grandmother's, her maternal grandmother, Elizabeth Evans (b. 1837, d. 1911?) lived in/moved to Lucton, near Leominster, Herefordshire, where there are cousins Jack and Richard (Dick, who is pictured in First World War uniform, but was later killed by a bull - it was Herefordshire, after all!).
There is also a cousin, Edith Mary (b. 1898, Lucton, Leominster?) and an aunt Margaret, who married William Joseph?
Aunt Ann emigrated to Australia with her son, Arthur, but I can't find her married name.
There is also an aunt Alice, and her daughter, May (married name, Simpson), but I suppose she could be from the paternal side of the family.
Unfortunately, Evans is such a common name, especially in Wales, that I keep going off track.
This is a photograph of my grandmother (as a baby) with her grandmother (Evans). The legend on the back says they were living then in Lucton, nr Leominster, Herefordshire, and the photographer was 'T.H. Pryce -Art Photographer, 8 High Street, Kington'
... and this is one of her grandmother standing in the door of a shop (in Lucton?). If anyone can tell me what it says on the sign over the door (apart from Evans!), I would be very grateful. There is also some writing at the bottom of the photo, but it is too faint to make out, even with tinkering.
Immediately underneath E EVANS is says "Grocer" but beyond that, I can't make it out.
The top line of the sign is E. Evans, then I wonder if below it says
It took me ages to see anything like writing at the bottom, and I might still have got a bit of the path instead. But after tweaking I thought I could possibly make out 'Common' - or is it a Welsh place name? Tweaked bit below:
I would agree with Grocer and Tobacco, but the middle bit isn't clear at all.
There is quite a bit of writing at the bottom, clearer on the original, but still extremely faint.
There must have been more children, if it's the same family, as I have photos of Aunt Alice and her daughter, May, and Aunt Fan's daughter, Flo (Florence?).
Aunt Fan's married name was Hull, and she also had 3 boys: Jim, Arthur and Teddy. Flo married Bert Bramhall.
There is Aunt Ann, who had a son, Arthur, and who emigrated to Australia; I'll be adding photos of these people to the album I've started in Media.
There is also another son, Walter, whose children were Dick, Jack and Esther Evans.
Any help here would be much appreciated!
Ok, lets start one at a time. Who was Alice?
My grandmother's aunt, her mother, Mary Evans' sister, presumably. On the back of the photo, it says Mrs. Simpson (her married name?), and she had 2 daughters, May and Joan.
Do you have a married name for Alice? Any approximate dates?
Ah you must have edited it while I wasn't looking
Do you know the Simpson family might have been living?
Ok, were they the ones living at 22 Stalbridge Road, Crewe in 1939. Alice's husband being Albert E Simpson? Alice being born 1882'ish
That could be right, I really don't know; I only have the photos with my grandmother's scrawl on the back. Her dress is more modern in the photo I've uploaded to my album, so that birth date seems about right.
If those Simpsons had 2 daughters, May and Joan, it could be them.
22 Stalbridge Road , Crewe, Cheshire, England
Albert E Simpson, b.18 Jun 1885, Plumber (Master0, Married
Alice Simpson, b. 12 Jan 1882, Unpaid Domestic Duties, Married
Alice M Simpson (Married a Green) b. 25 Nov 1911, Shop Assistant, Single
Kathleen J Simpson (Married a York) b. 28 Jul 1917, Railway Clerk, Single
Could Alice M be Alice May and Kathleen J be Kathleen Joan ?
Ah yes they were.
SIMPSON, ALICE MAY
Mother's Maiden Name EVANS
Birth 1912 M Quarter in NANTWICH Volume 08A Page 581
SIMPSON, KATHLEEN JOAN
Mother's Maiden Name EVANS
Birth 1917 S Quarter in NANTWICH Volume 08A Page 462
Wow! Thank you; I have to go, now; we're an hour ahead of you, and I don't have a smartphone. I'll be on tomorrow to find out more.
1911 Census - 39 Buxton Avenue Crewe, Monks Coppenhall, Cheshire
Albert Simpson, Head, Married, 29, 1882, Plumber, Crewe, Cheshire
Alice Simpson, Wife, Married, 28, 1883, Lucton, Herefordshire
They had been married under one year. They married in the December quarter 1910 in the Leominster R.D.
A'ha found her, in 1891 she is with her grandparents.
Grocers Shop, Lucton Village, Lucton, Leominster, Herefordshire, England
John Evans, Head, Married, 56, 1835, Farm Labourer, Radnorshire
Elizabeth Evans, Wife, Married, 51, 1840, Grocer Shop Keeper, Radnorshire
Eva Evans, Daughter, 12, 1879, Scholar, Herefordshire
Alice Evans, Granddaughter, 11, 1880, Scholar, Herefordshire
Lane Cottage, Staunton upon Arrow, Kington, Herefordshire, England
John Evans, Head, Married, 51, 1830, Ag Labourer
Elizabeth Evans, Wife, Married, 44, 1837, Llanbister, Radnorshire
Amos Evans, Son, Single, 12, 1869, Knighton, Radnorshire
Martha Evans, Daughter, Single, 11, 1870, Knighton, Radnorshire
Fanny Evans, Daughter, Single, 9, 1872, Knighton, Radnorshire
Eva Evans, Daughter, Single, 2, 1879, Byton, Herefordshire
Alice Evans, Grand Daughter, Single, 1, 1880, Presteigne, Radnorshire
The 1881 census says born Presteigne. Presteigne at this time came under the Knighton R.D.
There are a couple of births in 1880 in the Knighton District for an Alice Evans.
Mother's maiden name ------ (usually means illegitimate)
1880 S Quarter in KNIGHTON Volume 11B Page 151 Order
Mother's maiden name HARPER
1880 S Quarter in KNIGHTON Volume 11B Page 152
It seems that Alice was brought up by her grandparents. Was this because she was illegitimate ?
Being brought up by her grandparents, the other younger children i.e Fanny and Eva would think of her as a sister and not a niece.
A few Baptism's and Birth Registrations
Margaret's Baptism - 1859
Edwin's Baptism - 1860
Mother's maiden name: PRICE
Birth 1872 J Quarter in KNIGHTON Volume 11B Page 157
Fanny's baptism - 1872
Mother's maiden name: PRICE
Birth 1879 M Quarter in KINGTON Volume 06A Page 605
Separate names with a comma.