THE TWO "MISSING" MILLER CHILDREN

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  1. BernardOC

    BernardOC Active Member

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    Of the eight children of the Marriage of Robert Miller and Caroline Fry, 1842, two have proved to be difficult to trace their lives.
    From Census records I have the following info:

    Willie Miller dob on 1871Census est. as 1861. He's not reflected on the 1861 Census and not recorded at home for the 1881 Census. In 1861 the family were living in Camberwell, Surrey and had moved sometime in the period between 1861 to 1871 to Richmond, Surrey. It doesn't help that there is no place of birth given on 1871 Census

    Charlie Miller dob based on 1871 census should be +/- 1862, showing place of birth Richmond. He's not on the 1881 Census.

    I'm assuming that the short names declared on the Census should possibly be William and Charles.

    It would be good to have a "complete" family record.

    Thanks

    Bernard
     
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    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    From the GRO Online Indexes

    William George Miller mmn Fry birth reg June qtr 1860 Camberwell 1d 449
    so he should have been included on the 1861 census.
    Charles Miller mmn Fry brth reg Dec qtr 1861 Camberwell 1d 500
     
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    Searching the GRO for male Miller births, mother's maiden name FRY for 1861 +/- 2 only comes up with three

    Charles - Dec 1861, Camberwell
    William George - June 1860, Camberwell
    William James - Sep 1860, Whitechapel

    So I would say the ones in Camberwell are the ones you are looking for.

    There is a 20 year old William G. Miller, a pupil at the Rectory, Great Braxted Essex in 1881, born Camberwell, Surrey. Occupation is "Undergraduate of C.C.LS" - RG11/1777/77/4. Head of household is William H ROWLANDSON, Rector of Great Braxted. This may be him.

    Will have a look for Charles.
     
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    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    I looked at that one, and I do not think it is Bernard's Willie - there is another William G Miller b c1860 s/o David Graham Miller (wife Maria both born Scotland) a Staff Surgeon RG10/677/5/1 in Camberwell who also fits the Essex entry.
     
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    Willie is on the 1861 census with parents Robert and Caroline, together with six siblings.
     
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    There is a marriage of a 23 year old William Miller, a gardener to Emily Jones on 9 July 1882 at Holy Trinity Church, Richmond, Surrey

    Father of William is Robert Miller, a Tailor.

    Witnesses are Robert Miller and Minnie Miller (Mina from the 1861 census?)

    Bride and groom both of Mount Pleasant.
     
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    I can see William and Emily Miller in 1901 and 1911 with children. In both, William says he was born in Peckham, which was covered by the Camberwell Registration District.

    In both census are in Deptford, St Nicholas.
     
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    There is a marriage on 24 March 1894 of a Charles Miller and Harriet Jones at St Anne's Church, Tottenham, Middlesex. Charles is a Plateman.

    Father of Charles is Robert, a deceased Tailor.

    Interestingly, father of Harriet, is George, a Farmer. On the marriage of William and Emily, Emily's father is given as George, a Farmer. Both girls appear to be born in Wales, so I wonder if they are sisters.
     
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    Thanks,
    Can now start building up their narratives.
     
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    Good... This is looking positive with witnesses Robert and Minnie.
     
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    This helps opening up more windows.
     
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